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stewartthesmith said
  Let's say, hypothetically, that I am a construction company, and build a mall.  I bring in subcontractors, who build the foundation, lay the bricks, plumb all the buildings, wire them for juice, put a roof on the structure, etc. etc.  Let's say I have a dispute with the subcontractor who poured the foundation.  Does he have the right to remove the foundation, allowing the entire structure to collapse?  Especially since that subcontractor SIGNED a contract with me!  IFI has a terms of service agreement for all of its members who sign up to that forum, which basically amounts to a CONTRACT!  If you read that contract, IFI has LICENSE to do whatever it wants with your COPYRIGHTED material, and every member of that site agreed with those terms.

I would use a different analogy:

A local blacksmith group is having a hammer in, people show up and you have brought some of your tools (anvil, leg vise,  handcrank forge) over to make sure everyone has the ability to get anvil time. For some reason or another the shop owner is grumpy and starts an argument  with  you which results in you being kicked off his property. Thing is he will not give your tools back.

What would you do then, after being ignored for a moth or so of trying to get hold of shop owner??

Rob

stewartthesmith said

 Let me introduce you to something taught in university english classes, a phenomenon called analogy.  IFI IS a general contractor, disseminating blacksmithing information, "brick by brick", as if in a "foundation".  One cannot arbitrarily remove "bricks" from an informational foundation without the structure collapsing.  I have close to two thouand, five hundred posts on that site.  If I have a hissy-fit and want all my informational contributions back, is that fair or even marginally reasonable?  YOU TELL ME!

What would happen, not only to IFI, but similar sites including THIS ONE, if every time someone had a "toothache" or an "upset stomach", they decided to take their football and go home(sorry for the mixed metaphor, folks, lol)!  Nobody would win!

I will tell you Stewartthesmith.

None of this had to happen if IFI had any respect for the member that contribute to the site beyond what color should I paint my anvil.  They don't.  It is run like a fiefdom with the in crowd can do no wrong.  Yourself included.  Everyone else is dirt.

I really wonder how you would react if one day you were banned from the site without any explanation  and not allowed to respond to your threads (all 2,500 of them) or your attachments and all attempts to communicate were ignored.  Maybe you would see it differently.

This didn't have to happen this way.  IFI drove the bus and this is the road they chose.

stewartthesmith said
well, craig, you are still on my friends list on IFI.  I have no beef with you at all.  What has me angry, however, are the consequences of this dispute.  I have found the site owner, Glenn, to be intrinsically fair, once all sides have been presented to him.  I also respect you as  a blacksmith after viewing your Youtube channel.  Having said that, perhaps you should have talked to Glenn directly, man to man.  Then a site with 28 thousand members wouldn't have been scuttled......

I tried, believe me I tired.  Email, phone calls, then it went to certified letters to the owner and then to the lawyer. You name it I tried.  Everything was ignored.

stewartthesmith said 
When it come to intellectual property, IFI has license to use your intellectual property, so the line is blurred, and thank GOD it is!

Don't drink the Koolaid stewartthesmith.  Here is the TOS before I filed the notice.  Things are going to be different when the site comes back online.  Look at the bottom right of every page for the TOS link when the site is back online.

everything I post on their site becomes intrinsic to THEIR website.........even though I own my copyright, once it is part of their site, it becomes THEIRs as well...........what is so hard to grasp about that?

I have had run-ins with the party you are talking about.  Wanna know something?  He was man enough to apologise to me when he acted hastily.  That is because I logically discussed it with him in private, rather than flaming, then taking my ball and going home.  And this wasn't the first time there was friction between us.  The management team, inevitiably, adjudicates everything in a fair and square manner.  You should have waited until everything calmed down, and then talked to them without fire on your tongue.....

stewartthesmith said
everything I post on their site becomes intrinsic to THEIR website.........even though I own my copyright, once it is part of their site, it becomes THEIRs as well...........what is so hard to grasp about that?

Well that is the case now.  But it wasn't before the notice.  This is a legal issue about copyright rights. 

I spent days researching issues about TOS and copyright licenses.  IFI had no license because they, in my opinion, were arrogant and thought they could do what ever they wanted.  But they had no license.  Period.  If they had a license I couldn't have filed the notice.

K. Bryan Morgan said
Its now how it is legal wise.  Its how it is moral wise.  You just don't get it.  You feel harmed so your taking it out on everyone else on the site.  Not just Glenn.  Its all of us.  You care more about you and yours than us and ours.  In my old life we would have called you and individual.  And that would have been no complement.  In fact it is the worst thing a person can be.  A non team player.  So your all butt hurt.. boo hoo .. waa profanity waa.  I'mma take my ball and go home.  You did this.  You didn't have to.  You took it to this level.  You didn't have to.  Whats so hard to understand about that. 

 

PS.  I never drink the koolaid.  I never take anything at face value.  And right now I don't care one bit about your rights to YOUR property intellectual or otherwise.  Keep your ball and play by yourself.

As I have already said, this is an unintended consequences of what happened.  It didn't have to happen this way.  I am not the one who took IFI offline.  They did.  Call me all the name you want and through those insults.  When it happens to you, you will understand.  Don't think it won't.

K. Bryan Morgan said
Its now how it is legal wise.  Its how it is moral wise.  You just don't get it.  You feel harmed so your taking it out on everyone else on the site.  Not just Glenn.  Its all of us.  You care more about you and yours than us and ours.  In my old life we would have called you and individual.  And that would have been no complement.  In fact it is the worst thing a person can be.  A non team player.  So your all butt hurt.. boo hoo .. waa profanity waa.  I'mma take my ball and go home.  You did this.  You didn't have to.  You took it to this level.  You didn't have to.  Whats so hard to understand about that. 

 

PS.  I never drink the koolaid.  I never take anything at face value.  And right now I don't care one bit about your rights to YOUR property intellectual or otherwise.  Keep your ball and play by yourself.

As I have already said, this is an unintended consequences of what happened.  It didn't have to happen this way.  I am not the one who took IFI offline.  They did.  Call me all the name you want and through those insults.  When it happens to you, you will understand.  Don't think it won't.