10:28 pm
April 7, 2011
I am watching Modern Marvels on the History Channel. They just told that a century there were 23000 blacksmiths in the USA, today only 600 remain.
They need to check their facts, the membership of ABANA at over 4000 and the members of NWBS forum.
Matter of fact I think that there are over 600 full time professional Blacksmiths.
Wayne Coe
Artist Blacksmith
669 Peters Ford Road
Sunbright, Tennessee
423-628-6444
[EMAIL=waynecoe@highland.net]waynecoe@highland.net[/EMAIL]
http://www.waynecoeartistblacksmith.com
3:45 am
NWBA Member
November 8, 2010
Wayne Coe;16634 wrote: I am watching Modern Marvels on the History Channel. They just told that a century there were 23000 blacksmiths in the USA, today only 600 remain.
They need to check their facts, the membership of ABANA at over 4000 and the members of NWBS forum.
Matter of fact I think that there are over 600 full time professional Blacksmiths.
Shhhhhhh! Don't tell anyone it's still a LOST art~! Seriously, I don't want clients to know there's probably 600 in the NW alone. Scarcity and price go hand in hand!
They only remember you when you SCREW UP~!!!
2:02 pm
NWBA Member
April 19, 2010
Wayne Coe;16634 wrote: I am watching Modern Marvels on the History Channel. They just told that a century there were 23000 blacksmiths in the USA, today only 600 remain.
They need to check their facts, the membership of ABANA at over 4000 and the members of NWBS forum.
Matter of fact I think that there are over 600 full time professional Blacksmiths.
hum... i think they forgot some zeros there ... it was around 1/2 million blacksmiths from what i remember looking up ...not incl farriers and others who used forges for other uses ...like ironworkers heating rivets... i dont know what criteria they are using to define blacksmith ...I have seen many definitions (everything from fabricators that can do a little forging to "if its not all hand forged then its not blacksmith made") and only counting fulltime smiths where for every fulltime smith there are probably 100 partime and hobby smiths...
2:48 pm
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March 30, 2010
Eric G;16636 wrote: hum... i think they forgot some zeros there ... it was around 1/2 million blacksmiths from what i remember looking up ...not incl farriers and others who used forges for other uses ...like ironworkers heating rivets... i dont know what criteria they are using to define blacksmith ...I have seen many definitions (everything from fabricators that can do a little forging to "if its not all hand forged then its not blacksmith made") and only counting fulltime smiths where for every fulltime smith there are probably 100 partime and hobby smiths...
A relevant statistic that could probably be dug up is the number of anvils that were sold.
5:19 pm
April 6, 2010
Counting anvil sales to see how many blacksmiths there are would be like counting Barbie dolls to see how many little girls there are! I know guys with piles of anvils who don't forge at all. And, I know machinists who have anvils and never forge.
The closest way to tell how many blacksmiths there are would be to add up all the "yellow page" listings for blacksmiths/ornamental iron workers. And, even then, you would miss hundreds of smiths who don't need to advertise.
6:50 pm
NWBA Member
April 22, 2010
This is precisely why I will only watch television if there are lots of explosions, swear words, and scantily clad women.
What bushwah.
There were, undoubtedly, more guys doing mindless repetitive work that somehow involved hot iron, but in terms of actual skilled, journeyman blacksmiths, I doubt it was anywhere near 500,000, or even 100,000, in the USA in 1900. Farriers, sure, there could have been a hundred thousand of them. But by 1900 (and, to be precise, a century ago was 1912) there were steam engines, lathes and milling machines, huge foundry complexes, and manufacturing on a massive scale in the USA. Sears Roebuck and Monkey Wards would send things to almost every small town in America, by Railroad Freight.
There was already, in 1912, a group of blacksmiths making historical recreation hardware for wealthy homeowners.
In short, most people a century ago bought factory made goods, and only the wealthy could afford custom made, blacksmith hand forged hardware or steak turners. (You do know that George Washington and Teddy Roosevelt both used steak turners, right?)
There were certainly industrial blacksmiths in 1900- they ran huge 1000lb steam hammers, and 24' throat hydraulic riveters, and made battleship chains.
But this whole "lost art" thing is so much baloney.
We have, today, a group of blacksmiths that are MORE educated, knowledgeable, and just as skilled, if not more so, than at any time in history. Most of those noble blacksmiths in 1900 knew diddly squat about metallurgy, or phase changes, or the galvanic chart.
9:19 pm
NWBA Member
April 19, 2010
ok according to statistics from 1900 there were a little over 225,000 people who considered themselves blacksmiths .another 290,000 were iron and steel workers . now that does not mean that they were artists (a lot of blacksmith work was not art) but they were blacksmiths ! now there are still industrial blacksmiths out there forging steel every day they are blacksmiths ! that does not mean they know a lot about working metal ! for instance i saw a program about cornwall tools ... they showed making a socket it was hot forged in a die ... the operator would be considered a blacksmith (he forges hot steel) but not really someone who knows how to make anything but the parts he was trained to make with his press and die setup...still a blacksmith tho...all the dyeing art thing is people who have no clue about how things are made ... the hand made one of a kind forged stuff is rarer because it can now be mass produced in dies! a lot of items that are hot forged nowadays people do not even know how they are made. The image of the old time blacksmith shoeing a horse in a small town is what they think of when you say blacksmith ... its hard to educate people about what a blacksmith really is and how much industry depended on the ability to make a part to fit and fix things on up to modern times ...many factories had blacksmith shops as part of the plant and used them up into the 60 and 70s . and many of your hardware companys started as blacksmiths who made a popular product and expanded from there... a lot of the small town shops ended up becoming auto and tractor mechanics. anyway hope this clears up the how many blacksmith were there thing...
10:11 pm
NWBA Member
July 9, 2010
10:27 pm
Eric G;16640 wrote: ok according to statistics from 1900 there were a little over 225,000 people who considered themselves blacksmiths
According to iforgeiron, there's 25,900 who think they are too LOL
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