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Pattern from a couple of weeks ago
June 10, 2011
7:57 pm
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JNewman
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Here are some pictures of a pattern and the corebox that goes with it that I finished a couple of months ago.

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Here is one with the coreboxes from a few weeks ago.

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and with the boxes split open

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June 10, 2011
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Nice work, but what IS it?

My son is the Blacksmith

June 10, 2011
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Top one I don't know. Probably something for the mining industry based on the customer. Bottom one is part of a steam turbine. While I do like to know what I am making is for both for curiosity sake and it helps with knowing what surfaces are most important which can sometimes affect how I build the pattern. Often I am a separated from the ultimate customer by a few levels. (I am working for the foundry who is working for a machine shop who is working for a purchasing agent at the ultimate customer) So I design and build the pattern to make the casting to the drawing and sometimes don't know what the casting is.

Most times I don't see the castings made from the patterns I build unless there is a problem. So it is kind of neat when I do get to see them. I was at the Metro Toronto Convention Center with my daughter 2 weeks ago. I pointed out the floor vault doors and frames that I built the patterns for that were all over the convention center to her. She didn't share my enthusiasm, I got the teenage "yea whatever Dad" and eye roll.

June 10, 2011
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Hey John

I guess I'm something like a blacksmith and the lads in the unit next door to me are pattern makers ..... you're both !!!!

June 10, 2011
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Very nice work. Thank you for sharing.

Author of book titled, "Civil War Blacksmithing", available on Amazon.com

September 27, 2011
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Lynn Gledhill
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david hyde;10631 wrote: Hey John

I guess I'm something like a blacksmith and the lads in the unit next door to me are pattern makers ..... you're both !!!!

John, I wouldn't know even how to begin on such a project!!! Beautiful man.:bounce:

March 2, 2012
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Here is another pattern I am turning today and tomorrow.

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March 2, 2012
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can you show us the lathe? I am assuming its a big patternmaking lathe, I love tools like that.

I get the same reaction from my teenager- I was in LA with him in the fall, and I wanted to check on various projects of mine, and he wouldnt even get out of the car- he said- if you made this, why do you need to look at it again?

March 2, 2012
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I will snap some pictures of it tomorrow. It is a big "Post lathe" Basically a headstock only lathe. The toolpost is a heavy potable stand. I bought it from the shop I used to work for. Before I worked for them it used to be set over a pit so it could be used to turn really big jobs. The guy I worked beside told me about a job they turned one time that was brushing the ceiling.

March 3, 2012
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That is impressive. Can you please tell us what rpm something like that spins?
Thank you

March 5, 2012
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Here are a couple of pictures of the lathe Ries. It has been tarped up outside for about 2 years with the faceplate inside, I think I will throw a coat of paint on it before I take it back outside to slow down the rust.

Rob, to be honest I am not sure how fast it goes in rpm. After the initial truing up in the lowest gear I ran it in the second highest gear for most of the turning, which is still fairly slow rpm wise but the outside edge is moving pretty quick.

Here is also a picture of me turning with the lathe and the finished pattern. There is a cover corebox to form the other side, another shop is making that due to time restrictions.

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March 6, 2012
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John, I am most ignorant... How are the patterns used?? Are they for casting?:unsure:

March 6, 2012
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Yes they are for casting. Sand is packed around them up to the parting line (where the mould gets split) The sand has either a chemical binder or has a very small amount of clay and even smaller amount of water. The pattern is then "stripped" (pulled out of the sand) . Any cores (separate blocks of sand formed in coreboxes) are then set in the mould (made of sand), the other half of the mould is closed on top. Metal is then poured into the mould and once it cools the mould is destroyed to get the casting.

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