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5:47 pm
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May 3, 2010
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Upon contacting the local propane supplier about propane safety, his questions and comments were, other than keep the tank outside, is the forge UL listed, what is the psi, and does your insurance company know what your doing, among other related questions. First of all, my tank is outside, my forge is built by me, (not UL listed) like many of the forges I see at conferences, and etc. He said the city (I live in the city limits) allows only 5 psi for commercial propane use indoors, (mine is in residential backyard shop). My questions for the forum are regarding the safety and use of a propane forge at my home shop. I would appreciate comments and any direction on publications or information regarding exhaust hood design, carbon monoxide detection, and overall forge use in a home shop in the interest of the insurance company. Thanks, Arlo
9:05 pm
April 21, 2010
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I just make sure the flames and heat stay away from the hose from the tank to the forge and make sure that I have plenty of ventilation. Dirt or concrete floor to avoid fires when I drop something, keep flammable objects away from the mouth of the forge while its going. Just simple common sense things. Propane shop guys are just salesmen, most don't know their butt from a hole in the ground. Its just a matter of being safe and careful, I work out of a Tent, Grant works out of what Larry lovingly called his hole in the ground 😀 Larry has a huge shop he uses. Just form your shop to suit your needs and you should be ok.
4:05 pm
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March 22, 2010
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I do know that if you are operating as a business and not a hobby out of your residence whether it is a garage attached to the house or a separate shop, generally your home owners will not cover anything that happens from the business end of things. So you must have a separate business insurance on the space that is occupied by the business. Generally the forges are not an issue, as long as you disclose them but I have had some insurances companies refuse to even provide a quote based on having one.
4:08 pm
March 22, 2010
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WmHorus;1905 wrote: I just make sure the flames and heat stay away from the hose from the tank to the forge and make sure that I have plenty of ventilation. Dirt or concrete floor to avoid fires when I drop something, keep flammable objects away from the mouth of the forge while its going. Just simple common sense things. Propane shop guys are just salesmen, most don't know their butt from a hole in the ground. Its just a matter of being safe and careful, I work out of a Tent, Grant works out of what Larry lovingly called his hole in the ground 😀 Larry has a huge shop he uses. Just form your shop to suit your needs and you should be ok.
Hu? I called who what?
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4:28 pm
March 18, 2010
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Larry?:stomp:
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4:45 pm
March 22, 2010
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Evidently Paul says I said you work out of my hole in the ground.... Strange... I remember no such hole speak, mine or otherwise... I have commented on how how small your workspace is in regards to how much you do... But I cant imagine calling it a hole... Why would I call a place with so many cool toys a hole.... let alone a hole in the cold dark ground?:help:
Whatever you are, be a good one.
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4:51 pm
March 18, 2010
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LOL!! Don't worry about it. Even if true, you'd only get -1 and Paul would get -10 for repeating it!:bounce: Don't we all say things we wouldn't want repeated? Why just the other day I was saying "Larry is a...................
“There are painters who transform the sun into a yellow spot,
but then there are others who, with the help of their art and their intelligence,
transform a yellow spot into the sun.” ~ Pablo Picasso ~
4:57 pm
April 21, 2010
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while back there was some joking around about stepping down into Grants work area ie the hole in the ground, it was so long ago I forget the exactly which thread it originated in. It was all in jest not in mean spirit, unlike cetain folks.
5:07 pm
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April 26, 2010
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To get something listed by UL or CE any other listing agency costs the manufacturer several thousand dollars. Nor does such listing guarantee any safety - just means the thing is on a list.
If you want some good guidelines for safe forges, check out "NFPA 86 Standard for Ovens and Furnaces."
Note well: the NFPA does not call forges "forges." They call them "Class A Direct Gas Fired Ovens."
No matter where you go... there you are.
11:24 pm
April 21, 2010
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Shhhhhh - don't ask, don't tell.
11:32 pm
March 22, 2010
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My feeling is you need to have a good relationship with the insurance agent... Make sure he/she understands what you do and if they can not find a way to accommodate you then look for a new insurance agent. (A insurance company who is exited about a home blacksmith shop you'll likely not find... but there are ones who will work with you)
If it is a blown forge them them the blower has a UL listing (if it does) I know when you build lighting if you use all UL parts in this state you can get a pass.... Not the same I know but if the Insurance agent has full disclosure Id feel pretty good about it.
Whatever you are, be a good one.
Abraham Lincoln
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