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Axe forging
April 14, 2011
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Tom Allyn
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Why can't an axe be made entirely out of tool steel? Why weld in a tool steel bit?

April 14, 2011
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They can be made from tool steel,

Welding in a tool steel bit goes back to availability of materials when they were originally made,

Wrought iron was easier and cheaper to make/obtain than the blister/tool steel and it is relatively easy and cheaper to weld in an insert

April 14, 2011
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Some photos of my Austria trip @ the Karl Zielanger shop in Himmelburg.
One piece Axe head. Eyes done on flypress, the drawing on helve hammers. Don't know what matl, probably straight high carbon steel.

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April 14, 2011
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Man I would really be interested in the eyeballing that fly press die, those eyes are perfect.

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April 15, 2011
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The shop closed in '68. They were in business for over 800 years at one time producing almost a million scythes and axes each year. Sadly, the two presses there were not tooled up. The larger of the two was, I would guess, a 60 to 75 ton unit.

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April 15, 2011
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Has anyone had any experience with punching on a large flypress? I would love to see the holding unit and stripper.

April 15, 2011
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Ken- I had to have Assumed you did your marvelous rounding hammer eyes on a press, no?
What are you needing to get for one of those guy$?

I'm still in the learning stages of press-punching but I have to imagine that the blank is held in a trough of some sort to keep the sides from blowing out. Some sort of multi-stage die seems likely.
Jeff Holtby is the guy for press slitting that I've seen.

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April 26, 2011
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One of the firms that used to make axes here in Australia (trojan/cyclone), used a mid sized mechnical upsetter (such as an ajax or covmac) to punch the eyes. The fixed and moving die took care of preventing the sides bulging out and also acted as the stripper, the moving die(ram etc) did the punching out, and also probably the drifting in a 2nd movement. That is also the way the railways made all their picks mattocks etc as well, using an upsetter.

April 26, 2011
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So simple, yet I would never have thought of it!

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April 26, 2011
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That is a neat solution. I have been punching holes on my hydraulic press. Previously I punched hammer holes on the power hammer. I will be getting a large powered fly press soon and would like to engineer a holding unit that maybe is air actuated.

The upsetter is a very interesting idea.

May 2, 2011
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Do you think that this anvil was grooved to hold axes? If not, what was it used for?

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May 2, 2011
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Those look like dovetails to hold dies.

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Just ordered the Swedish book, in English.Thanks Grant and John B for a good recommendation. Amazon had 3 copies and due to my big mouth is now out again.

February 26, 2012
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Sam: Guess I missed a thread somewhere? To what Swedish book are you referring? thanks, Eric S.

February 26, 2012
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Eric check out the first couple pages of this thread, Matt Bower posted a link to it.

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