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Finally starting to get back to the hang of things
June 28, 2011
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I have been able to get out into the shop both this last weekend and before. This week, I finished a handle for my wire brush and made a froe from a broken leaf spring from my trailer.

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[Image Can Not Be Found] Not bad for a first attempt on each and for not having worked at the forge regularly for almost two years. 😀

Any suggestions or critiques are welcome.

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June 29, 2011
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Very nice. A froe is on my list.

Do you have any concerns about it holding up over time with that eye not welded?

June 29, 2011
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Actually I thought about that and realized that it shouldn't be a problem.

The stress of using the handle to lever out the slice of wood is minimal, the thickness of the blade does most of the work, so I think it should be fine.

I left it in an annealed state too, so it can be sharpened with a file/stone easily, so the metal should be pretty relaxed.

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June 30, 2011
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If you or anybody else in the WORLD could open that trailer spring eye by using it is a froe I promise to call you SIR!!! Come on!!Its a trailer spring!!Huge door hinges are made of lighter stock and not welded in many cases.

June 30, 2011
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All the froes I've seen have closed eyes.

June 30, 2011
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You're absolutely right about traditionally made froes.Not an argument here. My point was that a froe made from a trailer spring has a REALLY strong eye they won't break.Can you imagine someone splitting shakes putting more stress on the froe eye than a 2,000 pound vehicle did? I made quite a few of them from vehicle springs in the 70's for "back to Earthers" in Alaska and never heard of one opening or breaking.Just two different materials and styles.

June 30, 2011
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I will be making more of these and I will only have so many with the built in eye, so I'll eventually be looking at making a closed eye. Especially if I want to make them more traditional looking. Right now, all I care about is function. 😀

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July 1, 2011
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I get your point, Eric. And there's nothing better than experience in these matters.

But I can still imagine that an open eye might eventually fail. A froe handle doesn't exert anywhere near the force on the leaf that a 2000 pound axle load would. But it would exert a different kind of load, and eccentric load that the leaf was not designed for.

And keep in mind, a single leaf doesn't carry a vehicle, rather a stack of leaves does. Imagine how a single leaf would hold up under a vehicle load.

Splitting straight grain cedar the tool will probably last a lifetime. But with improper use on slabs of harder wood I think it would eventually fail.

July 1, 2011
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Tom Allyn;10975 wrote: I get your point, Eric. And there's nothing better than experience in these matters.

But I can still imagine that an open eye might eventually fail. A froe handle doesn't exert anywhere near the force on the leaf that a 2000 pound axle load would. But it would exert a different kind of load, and eccentric load that the leaf was not designed for.

And keep in mind, a single leaf doesn't carry a vehicle, rather a stack of leaves does. Imagine how a single leaf would hold up under a vehicle load.

Splitting straight grain cedar the tool will probably last a lifetime. But with improper use on slabs of harder wood I think it would eventually fail.

Tom,

Even though leaf springs are stacked (in this case there was only one extra leaf). Isn't the eye still a week point? Of course, I didn't re-harden it either, so you may very well be right in the long run.

Warning: Smart-alec comment 😀

How about this: :giggle: I'll keep a record of every time I break/replace the handle and I know when it was made. Years from now, I'll come back and resurrect this thread and report on any failure of the open eye. :bounce::nerd: Kidding. 😀 Actually, I'll probably forget some time this weekend.

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Tim

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