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Fullering leaf bowls
June 13, 2011
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Lynn Gledhill
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Alright you guys, I may be not stupid, but it takes me 20 minutes or so to fuller one of these bowls. Do you have any tricks that I don't know??:confused: I want to be able to fuller the leaf veins in just a couple of minutes... then, I can make money making them... Thanks for your help:skip:

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June 13, 2011
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This little ''Mini Max'' of mine would easily do the grooves in a couple of min....If you had allot of em to do it would cost effective.

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June 13, 2011
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ok what thickness is it what do you have for tools (power hammer,press, flypress) . looks like its thin but cant really tell size... a thiner sharper fuller might help also but it will change the look a little ... might look nicer tho......

June 13, 2011
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Eric G;10701 wrote: ok what thickness is it what do you have for tools (power hammer,press, flypress) . looks like its thin but cant really tell size... a thiner sharper fuller might help also but it will change the look a little ... might look nicer tho......

This material is 1/8th sheet steel. All hand tools. I have used a slitting chisel to make the vein, but may have got too deep since the leaf broke along the vein as I went to bowl it. I do have a 25 pound Little Giant coming to live at my house in a few weeks. Then a whole new learning curve. It seems I spend most of my time in the shop learning, not producing much.:banghead:

June 13, 2011
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Bruce Macmillan;10700 wrote: This little ''Mini Max'' of mine would easily do the grooves in a couple of min....If you had allot of em to do it would cost effective

I've got to get out more!! I know very little about power equipment.:redface: Picture looks like an air hammer to me? Probably the wrong thread to ask, but what kinda bucks do you have in that?

June 13, 2011
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Lynn Gledhill;10704 wrote: I've got to get out more!! I know very little about power equipment.:redface: Picture looks like an air hammer to me? Probably the wrong thread to ask, but what kinda bucks do you have in that?

It is an air hammer for sure.........
Look in MINI-MAX..............Less than $250 in mat. there's quite a bit of info about building one in the thread, I'm around if you need more

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June 13, 2011
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Checked out the info on air hammers. Gotta build one!! Thanks so much. I think my wife is onto me... I told her I needed an air hammer and she says that I'll never stop "needing" more tools?? Who me??:angel:

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A tool that will do that very quickly is an air chisel/muffler gun, they are cheap and the chisels that can be modified are cheap. The problem with them is that the tool will rotate. There are non rotate tools available but they are expensive and if you try sharp turns the ball bearings will rotate out of the grooves.
The solution is to buy a cheap air chisel and then drill a 1/8" hole through the edge of the hole of the gun. You will need to make a drill bushing to do this so you can start the drill on the round of the air chisel. Drive a 1/8 roll pin into the hole and grind a corresponding flat on the shanks of your chisels. This tool is amazing for chasing with, it is almost like drawing. I did this with a cheap air chisel and it worked so well that I bought an IR chisel and modified it, it did not work as well as the extra power would bounce the chisel or fuller out of the groove I was chasing.

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Lynn Gledhill;10708 wrote: Checked out the info on air hammers. Gotta build one!! Thanks so much. I think my wife is onto me... I told her I needed an air hammer and she says that I'll never stop "needing" more tools?? Who me??:angel:

..Ya gotta play it cool.......She's probly thinking a 250 - 500# or some such.......course if she doesn't say no to that, then maybe a 150-300# down the road a piece..............:devil:........8oz doesn't REALLY count, heck it's practically a hand tool.....;)

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Foot valve is the best way to go as Bruce used. Might be able to rig a cable to the trigger. You could use a cheap "muffler gun" from Harbor Freight. Also, just a ball end tool will do it and you won't have to worry about it rotating.

Looks like Bruce has his loose sliding in a sleeve with a weight to apply pressure on the tool.

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Grant;10711 wrote: Foot valve is the best way to go as Bruce used. Might be able to rig a cable to the trigger. You could use a cheap "muffler gun" from Harbor Freight.

Foot valve yes, cable? Not worth the trouble. The original valve in the chipper/scaler is held open semi permanently by a hose clamp, then the air foot control takes over.(no freakin' linkage) Air pressure and weight make it possible to dial in whatever.........From alu., to Ti .I haven't tried the latter but it would fly....
Forget the muffler gun, the whole point of this tool is to do linear, not just planish...
The chipper/scaler can be removed and re assembled to its original purpose, but it's a hassle.....bm

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Bruce Macmillan;10712 wrote: Forget the muffler gun, the whole point of this tool is to do linear, not just planish...
The chipper/scaler can be removed and re assembled to its original purpose, but it's a hassle.....bm

Why couldn't the little muffler gun do "linear" work? Just looking for the cheapest way a person could go.

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June 14, 2011
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Grant;10713 wrote: Why couldn't the little muffler gun do "linear" work? Just looking for the cheapest way a person could go.

Maybe we're not on the same page here......The one I use has a square shank....The muffler shanks are round I believe, therefore they spin, correct?......The scaler/chipper only costs $50-60 at HF........Or if you like the good stuff, on up $$

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June 14, 2011
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MY friend Rich Waugh did a demo on using a muffler gun for just this type of work at Ashoken a few years ago and I think he has some stuff about it over on Forgemagic. His very simple solution to the rotating tool is to weld a handle at right angles to the tool and use that to steer it with when veining or doing repouse type work. I believe he is a member at this website so hopefully he'll post one of the drawings from his notes showing his method. The muffler guns are really handy tools for upsetting too though I must admit I like the feel of using a hammer (unless I'm in a hurry). Steve G

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Bruce> I didn't find a scaler/chipper listed. Do you have a stock number?
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They got the little muffler gun for $12.99! I was saying that with a ball end tool it wouldn't matter if it turned.

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Grant;10718 wrote: They got the little muffler gun for $12.99! I was saying that with a ball end tool it wouldn't matter if it turned.

And NINE tools included too!

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I've used the side handle on my .680 round chipping hammer, only not a ridged one, the shock would be too severe. For certain things they really shine.
I never intended the mini to replace hand repousse or any of that, and if I said it did I'd surely go to blacksmith Hell..:cold::devil::cold: If it's dialed in right it can come close.

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Grant;10718 wrote: They got the little muffler gun for $12.99! I was saying that with a ball end tool it wouldn't matter if it turned.

A large part of why any chisel or fuller can be accurately guided in the way you want it to go is because the trailing edge is captured by the groove. Not so with a ball..:spin:

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Bruce Macmillan;10721 wrote: I've used the side handle on my .680 round chipping hammer, only not a ridged one, the shock would be too severe. For certain things they really shine.
I never intended the mini to replace hand repousse or any of that, and if I said it did I'd surely go to blacksmith Hell..:cold::devil::cold: If it's dialed in right it can come close.

Need to come up with something rigid enough to steer the tool yet flexible enough to avoid transmitting the shock.

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