4:08 am
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September 25, 2010
Now, These pics aren't the best and I haven't been able to cut it to get a better look, but I found this at the beach this week and wanted several second opinions.
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I see what look like the striations for Wrought Iron and based on my guess at its age that would be about right.
I also want to get this into a forge and get the rest of the dreck off of it, and or at least cut it to look more closely at the grain, but I am about to move to a new place and most of my tools have been packed for the last several months.
I will try to get better pics tomorrow, but in the mean time, let me know what you think.
Regards,
Tim
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March 22, 2010
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10:21 pm
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September 25, 2010
Lewis;3492 wrote: Yep, looks like a bit of wrought iron. Got any plans for it?
Yeah, once I collect more (assuming the laws allow me to) I plan on making billets and using it for knife hardware primarily.
Regards,
Tim
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April 12, 2010
10:24 pm
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September 25, 2010
Ryan Wilson;3603 wrote: have you ever forged wrought iron before?
Nope, this is the first time I have held it in my hands. 🙂
Hope to get the forge up and running in the next couple weeks. In the mean time, I may take my cordless sawsall down to the beach and make some smaller, more manageable pieces to take home this weekend.
Side note: Ryan, I just moved to Bainbridge Island and wanted to connect with people in the area. You and J are in Poulsbo right? I would love to meet both of you and make some connections up here. Most of my friends are in Portland, where I grew up. 🙂
Regards,
Tim
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Mark Twain
11:11 pm
April 12, 2010
yah my old man lives in poulsbo, and my shop is at his place still as I have no place to set up at the house im renting.
wrought iron is a tricky material to forge do to its grain structure. also if in not mistaken if you forge across the grain such as to make a sholder it can not be sharp it needs a nice large radious or it will literally fall off. its kindof hard to explane perhaps someone with more forge time with wrought could help more. also you will want to work it at basically a welding heat or it will de-lamanate.
goodluck!
Ryan
3:05 am
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July 9, 2010
Tim,
Wrought iron tends to exhibit many of the "grain" traits of wood. It must be forged differently from A-36.
Send me an email with your phone number if you'd like to get together. I live between Poulsbo and Kingston. I'm presently at Fort Vancouver for the Williamsburg Demo, I'll call sometime next week.
Ryans Dad
"My son is the blacksmith"
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5:01 am
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July 9, 2010
Gene,
I had some salt water salvage that was heavily rusted and couldn't tell if it was wrought, cable or steel. It gave off a funny flame color in the forge and odd fumes that irritated the nose. Maybe from the salt? I'm not a chemist, maybe chlorine gas?
Be extra cautious.
My son is the Blacksmith
5:09 am
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September 25, 2010
I picked up some more pieces of metal from the beach yesterday on my way to Jeff Wilson's shop. A couple bars and an odd shaped piece.
We knocked the outer coating of gunk off and put it in the forge for a while. It is definitely Wrought Iron. We cut half way through one piece and then bent it over the edge of the anvil and it exhibited the fibrous qualities of Wrought. The odd shaped piece, we think might be an ax head. There is what's left of the eye and it looks like a steel bit at the tip. I'm going to get some white vinegar and soak it for a while and see what comes from that. I'll also post some pics of the new pieces and the cut/bent part too in a couple days.
Regards,
Tim
P.S. - Like Jeff had experienced before, we got green flames coming out in the dragons breath of the forge and there was an interesting effect when I would brush the hot iron that looked like purple flames on the bar, not sure if that is from the steel brush or not. 😀
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1:56 am
November 26, 2010
New kid on the block here so if this idea has been discussed prior, you'll just have to forgive my brashness.
Lately, I've been experimenting with an old process called electrolysis. If you are not familiar with it, I'll tell you just how simple it is. For pieces as shown in the first photo, all you need is a plastic 5 gallon pail, 3 metal rods such as rebar, a common battery charger that puts out 10 amps but isn't one of those that needs to "see" a battery before it puts out juice, 4 gallons of water, some zip ties and a box of Arm and Hammer washing soda.
Drill some holes in the bucket near the top edge so you can zip tie the three pieces of steel rebar equally space around the outer edge of the bucket. Add the water, stir in a cup of washing soda. Use a piece of 10 gauge copper wire to join the 3 pieces of rebar together electrically and hook the positive lead from the charger to it. Use a grinder to clean a bare spot on the item you want to de-rust and use an old C-clamp to hold a length of steel coathanger wire to it. You can now use the coat hanger wire to suspend the chunk of steel in the bucket so it does not touch any of the rebar. The negative lead from the charger gets hooked to the coat hanger wire.
Turn on the charger and you will start to see some bubbling starting to happen around each rod. A white froth will start to appear and then you will see the colour of rust appear on top of the white froth. You might have to leave it in there for a day or two but so what? The electrolytic action will pull the rust of the piece you are cleaning and deposit it on the rebar just like electroplating but in reverse. You piece will come out black when it's done but it will scrub up clean with minimal effort. Only the rust will be removed, no good metal. I have now built a tank that is 8 feet long, 42 inches wide and 30 inches high so I can strip paint and remove rust from garden tractor parts with this method. I am now able to drop a GT frame totally into the tank and leave while I go about other work.
Yes, I also own a sand blasting pot, a cabinet blaster plus various angle grinders with wire cup brushes, grinding and sanding discs but all those methods are messy, require a lot of my time as well as using up "consumables" that cost money to buy.
Just a suggestion..
4:59 am
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September 25, 2010
OK, so I still haven't soaked any of this in vinegar yet, but I did take some pictures.
Regards,
Tim
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5:55 am
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July 9, 2010
Tom,
I've had fair success with the process you describe for removal for light rust. The pieces Tim is working on have been in salt water for quite a long time. The photo doesn't do justice to the amount of gradoo on these. The chunks may loose 2/3 of their dia. just from a few light taps before heating. The iron "crust" has beach sand and other "stuff" included in it. A brief brisk bashing knocks most of it off. The rest pops/falls off in the forge.
That must be quite a tank you've built. Where are you located?
Jeff
On the Wet side of Puget's Sound
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12:26 pm
November 26, 2010
I'm just north of Toronto in Ontario, Canada. Listen... I'm not trying hijack this thread but since you asked about the tank, I'm tossing in a couple of photos.
It's made from 3/4" fir ply that is held together with 1/4" carriage bolts through steel angle iron all around the bottom and through aluminum angle on the corners. The entire inside of the tank has been fiberglassed. The rebar grids will remain movable in the tank so that they can be brought close to the items being cleaned.
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