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1:15 am
March 22, 2010
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Here is another pseudo smithing bit... I have a lot of 1 5/8" 4140 round and thought it would be handy to be able to quickly make up a handled tool.. The only part that is universal and time consuming is the eye... So I took a 20 foot bar and cut it in 4 chunks and took it to the waterjet guy and had him cut hammer eye sized holes every 6"... So now when I need a tool I just cut off a "eye" with as much meat as I need for the tool and lickity split your back on the job... I know its cheating, but I really dont care... its fast and easy and I can feel good about making what ever tool I might need because it can be done quickly and without fuss...
I paid .25/lb for this material so I dont feel bad if trim or cut and have a small chunk left, always find a use for the small bits anyway... Its not dirt cheap, he charges $12/hole... but compared to shop rate its cheaper than I could punch them and they are perfect with no futzing
Whatever you are, be a good one.
Abraham Lincoln
1:43 am
November 8, 2010
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That is freaking brilliant, Larry L. You only need one size handle.
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1:59 am
August 2, 2010
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Damn Larry, I've got a bunch of guys coming to the shop next weekend for a hammer making class with Nathan Robertson. I could have saved them all the trouble of learning how to punch an eye if I'd just thought to print up a handout with the water jet companies numbers instead. (grin) Actually I think your plan makes a lot of sense, with the eyes prepared like that you are a lot more likely to make the tool you need than to cobble something to get by with when there is no time to do it right. Are you having him put a taper in the holes to match a handle or are they straight sided? Steve G
2:19 am
May 14, 2010
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Dammit Larry, you're supposed to work harder not smarter!
3:02 am
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April 19, 2010
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I'll take $200 worth right now after working for hours this evening in my powerless shop to hand punch some holes in jackhammer bit steel!!!
3:17 am
March 22, 2010
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I have them made slightly undersize and then drift in the hourglass if its a real hammer style handle, if its a top or hammer tool I just drift it with straight sizes and I dont put a wedge in the handle, just a tight fit... that way if I want a long or short or handle on this side or that I just put it on to suit..
Whatever you are, be a good one.
Abraham Lincoln
3:19 am
March 22, 2010
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SGensh;5939 wrote: Damn Larry, I've got a bunch of guys coming to the shop next weekend for a hammer making class with Nathan Robertson. I could have saved them all the trouble of learning how to punch an eye if I'd just thought to print up a handout with the water jet companies numbers instead. (grin) Actually I think your plan makes a lot of sense, with the eyes prepared like that you are a lot more likely to make the tool you need than to cobble something to get by with when there is no time to do it right. Are you having him put a taper in the holes to match a handle or are they straight sided? Steve G
boy Id like to take that class with Nathan... As far as I know Nathan has the only other Kick Ass 150 hammer that is in the hands of a working blacksmith.. I talked a bit with him at ABANA last summer about it and fondled many of his hammers... A talented guy
Whatever you are, be a good one.
Abraham Lincoln
3:27 am
I saw then read this post, and said aloud "holy $hit". Great idea Larry, I'm going to take a bunch of bar down to the waterjet guy and have this done.
4:15 am
Larry L;5935 wrote: Here is another pseudo smithing bit... I have a lot of 1 5/8" 4140 round and thought it would be handy to be able to quickly make up a handled tool.. The only part that is universal and time consuming is the eye... So I took a 20 foot bar and cut it in 4 chunks and took it to the waterjet guy and had him cut hammer eye sized holes every 6"... So now when I need a tool I just cut off a "eye" with as much meat as I need for the tool and lickity split your back on the job... I know its cheating, but I really dont care... its fast and easy and I can feel good about making what ever tool I might need because it can be done quickly and without fuss...
I paid .25/lb for this material so I dont feel bad if trim or cut and have a small chunk left, always find a use for the small bits anyway... Its not dirt cheap, he charges $12/hole... but compared to shop rate its cheaper than I could punch them and they are perfect with no futzing
You did what???? With all the presses/ability you have. Tell me it ain't so...
JE
5:11 am
March 22, 2010
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I know John, Im a fake, a sell out... I should be ashamed (but Im not:mstickle:)
Whatever you are, be a good one.
Abraham Lincoln
5:25 am
March 18, 2010
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Funny this came up just now. I was just looking at a Hofi style hammer and realizing how easy that flat, boxy shape would be to make from rectangular bar or plate. Being flat and parallel on two sides, it makes a perfect burn-out, or in my case, machine out from a bar.
My CNC would not be real fast, but it works while I'm doing something else. Pretty cool to just come back every half-hour or so and put another slug in. I can machine out the whole shape on the end of a bar, then turn 90 to machine out the eye (yes, I can even machine the taper in the eye). Then just saw it off the bar where the face will be. Then half an hour hand grinding and off to heat treat.
Devil's been punching my dance ticket for a long time. So maybe I should start selling "hammer-eyes". Easy to install!
“There are painters who transform the sun into a yellow spot,
but then there are others who, with the help of their art and their intelligence,
transform a yellow spot into the sun.” ~ Pablo Picasso ~
5:28 am
May 13, 2010
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Oh Grant you had better block Jack from this thread, he isn't going to talk to Larry anymore. :unsure:
Great idea Larry, I am big on the half done tools idea, I have just started to pre make spring swage springs, power hammer top tool handles etc. A 30 second job that takes 10 minutes to take out and cut stock and set up the hossfeld usually when you are in a rush.
5:34 am
March 18, 2010
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Great job Larry! Really love the "loaf of hammers". This thread is where we confess our sins I guess!
Maybe I should block Jack from this thread. Might push him over the edge.:banghead:
“There are painters who transform the sun into a yellow spot,
but then there are others who, with the help of their art and their intelligence,
transform a yellow spot into the sun.” ~ Pablo Picasso ~
5:39 am
May 13, 2010
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Grant;5952 wrote: Funny this came up just now. I was just looking at a Hofi style hammer and realizing how easy that flat, boxy shape would be to make from rectangular bar or plate. Being flat and parallel on two sides, it makes a perfect burn-out, or in my case, machine out from a bar.
My CNC would not be real fast, but it works while I'm doing something else. Pretty cool to just come back every half-hour or so and put another slug in. I can machine out the whole shape on the end of a bar, then turn 90 to machine out the eye (yes, I can even machine the taper in the eye). Then just saw it off the bar where the face will be. Then half an hour hand grinding and off to heat treat.
Why not clamp in a fixture and machine the face too?
6:14 am
March 18, 2010
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Well, I can't envision a fixture that would allow me to machine the entire perimeter. Then I need to be able to rotate 90 to machine the eye. All the while holding it very rigidly. Besides, doesn't sawing qualify as "machining"? My saw can cut pretty accurately.
“There are painters who transform the sun into a yellow spot,
but then there are others who, with the help of their art and their intelligence,
transform a yellow spot into the sun.” ~ Pablo Picasso ~
12:04 pm
June 16, 2010
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Larry L;5945 wrote: and fondled many of his hammers
:unsure::confused:
2:21 pm
May 13, 2010
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Grant;5958 wrote: Well, I can't envision a fixture that would allow me to machine the entire perimeter. Then I need to be able to rotate 90 to machine the eye. All the while holding it very rigidly. Besides, doesn't sawing qualify as "machining"? My saw can cut pretty accurately.
I meant after the sawcut not instead of. To reduce the grinding.
2:51 pm
May 14, 2010
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I just attached a note to a carrier pigeon and sent it off to Jack informing him of Larry's waterjet transgressions. Now just sit back and wait for the fireworks... :bomb:
6:27 pm
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November 8, 2010
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Doesn't surprise me that ALOT of advanced cutting machines are sitting underutilized these days. 12$ a hole is cheap, Larry. Did they soak you for the ubiquitous 'set-up' fee. Most shops charge ~125$ just to look at your drawing.
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