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6:40 pm
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June 8, 2010
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I am working up a price for a customer on hammers, axes, and knives... Having a heck of a time finding a source of 1080 in bar stock and axe head sizes; 4140 in 1 3/4" square bar. :banghead: The gal at Pacific Machinery and Tool Steel told me the mills aren't making the stuff. Are we gonna have to go back to welding in a piece of high carbon for a hammer or an axe?? I'm in Junction City, Oregon... Anybody got any ideas??
12:01 am
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July 19, 2011
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Lynn,
Try Coyote Steel in Eugene. 1 800 5530240 They have a great scrap yard and have or can get alloy steel.:running:
2:44 am
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Gene Bland;16403 wrote: Lynn,
Try Coyote Steel in Eugene. 1 800 5530240 They have a great scrap yard and have or can get alloy steel.:running:
Thanks Gene: Didn't get to meet you at the last conference!! Hopefully will some day... Coyote is my main steel supplier and they don't have; can't get the stuff I need... Been on the phone and the internet trying to source these tool steels... Can't find 'em...
Where are you located? Love to meet you...
3:02 am
March 22, 2010
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Your going to hate what it costs but they can get you anything that is available (1080 might not be among the steel rolled at the moment but they will have some 10 series high carbon most likely) Bohler deals only in high end and exotic alloys and cold finish bars... Last time I priced some 4340 it was in the $5/lb range from them and I bought it from Pacific for about $2/lb delivered but lots of stuff Pacific just doesn't have
For larger quantity call Bohler-Uddeholm
7010 South 188th Street Kent, WA 98032
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They where better to deal with when they where summerville steel but they have a huge world wide inventory
The other folks I would talk to for knife specific steels is Alpha knife supply [FONT=sans-serif][SIZE=2]425-868-5880
http://www.alphaknifesupply.com/
[SIZE=2]For making [SIZE=2]4140 hammers I think the thing to do is b[SIZE=2]uy 2 1/4" "to[SIZE=2]ol bar" which is the implement stuff.. I have quite a bit of it and it works out well. I made a 6 lb sledge f[SIZE=2]or my pop out of [SIZE=2]some last night.... Most ag/tractor shops stock [SIZE=2]implement tool bar and its always 4140[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE] [/SIZE][/FONT]
Whatever you are, be a good one.
Abraham Lincoln
3:09 am
March 22, 2010
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I just looked on Bohler;s web site and they only list 1045 in the carbon steel section.... it might be that buying carbon steel from Alpha or someone like them is the only reasonable thing for small (less than ton) quantity's
Whatever you are, be a good one.
Abraham Lincoln
3:39 am
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Larry L;16405 wrote: Your going to hate what it costs but they can get you anything that is available (1080 might not be among the steel rolled at the moment but they will have some 10 series high carbon most likely) Bohler deals only in high end and exotic alloys and cold finish bars... Last time I priced some 4340 it was in the $5/lb range from them and I bought it from Pacific for about $2/lb delivered but lots of stuff Pacific just doesn't have
For larger quantity call Bohler-Uddeholm
7010 South 188th Street Kent, WA 98032
[TABLE=class: ts intrlu] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD](425) 251-5280[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] They where better to deal with when they where summerville steel but they have a huge world wide inventoryThe other folks I would talk to for knife specific steels is Alpha knife supply [FONT=sans-serif][SIZE=2]425-868-5880
http://www.alphaknifesupply.com/[SIZE=2]For making [SIZE=2]4140 hammers I think the thing to do is b[SIZE=2]uy 2 1/4" "to[SIZE=2]ol bar" which is the implement stuff.. I have quite a bit of it and it works out well. I made a 6 lb sledge f[SIZE=2]or my pop out of [SIZE=2]some last night.... Most ag/tractor shops stock [SIZE=2]implement tool bar and its always 4140[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/FONT]
Thanks Larry: I'll look around... Thanks for the info...
1:46 pm
May 13, 2010
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Buy round bar and forge it square. A lot of alloy bars are not easily available in square, I am sometimes offered square cut from plate which is way more expensive. Even when it is available in square, round is usually much cheaper. Often 50% to 100%.
I usually get good prices on 4140 from EMJ which is headquartered out your way. But if you are not buying $500-1000 minimum they won't talk to you.
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When I had my machine shop, EMJ treated me well and always seemed to maintain a good inventory.
6:02 pm
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July 19, 2011
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Lynn,
Good luck with your search. Round is easier to find and is cheaper. Try any big equipment repair shops for axles. Not always 4140 but good mid carbon steel.
I live down on Hwy 138 between Sutherlin and Elkton. We should try to get together.
Later:running:
1:53 am
August 23, 2010
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Larry L;16405 wrote: [FONT=sans-serif][SIZE=2]
[SIZE=2]For making [SIZE=2]4140 hammers I think the thing to do is b[SIZE=2]uy 2 1/4" "to[SIZE=2]ol bar" which is the implement stuff.. I have quite a bit of it and it works out well. I made a 6 lb sledge f[SIZE=2]or my pop out of [SIZE=2]some last night.... Most ag/tractor shops stock [SIZE=2]implement tool bar and its always 4140[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE] [/SIZE][/FONT]
Down in Calif. tul-bar is 1070 steel. I have a new bar for misc use and have cert papers for it. I think it came from nucor.
Rob
2:14 am
September 23, 2011
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I buy a lot of stuff from tool steel services in commerce CA. They may have some of it.
Also Admiral steel has a large selection for knife makers. I don't know if it'll be that big though. They're nice and if you call them they can probably point you in the right direction
Saign
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5:30 am
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November 8, 2010
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Online metals 1 3/4" 4140 hex for 4 bucks a pound
I soooooo miss Summerville steel. Fortunately I got in there a few years ago when EVERYTHING on the scrap shelves was 1$/lb. I've got blocks of D-2. H-13 and S-7 I don't know what to do with. Of course they'll hit you at around 8$ lb for all that stuff these days.
Silas turned me back on to Online metals after I strayed for awhile. The 2 buck chuck (2$/lb) 8620 is the sale of the century. Forges and machines like a dream. Hardens like 4140 but takes a case hardening like a man. They use it alot in industry for camshafts, gears and breaker bits
I oil hardened several rivet dies I made with it and they held up fine, I think I coulda pushed it with water and gone with a higher temper. Live and learn, hopefully without shrapnel.:p
They only remember you when you SCREW UP~!!!
2:48 pm
March 22, 2010
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Rob F;16413 wrote: Down in Calif. tul-bar is 1070 steel. I have a new bar for misc use and have cert papers for it. I think it came from nucor.
Rob
Interesting... All the stuff I have bought was 4140 but I would rather have 1070 I think....
Whatever you are, be a good one.
Abraham Lincoln
3:53 pm
August 23, 2010
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Larry L;16423 wrote: Interesting... All the stuff I have bought was 4140 but I would rather have 1070 I think....
They told me when I ordered it it was 1045 which is what I wanted to make hammers out of but the cert showed 1070:) Without the cert papers I dont much trust the salesmen. They can still give you the wrong papers.
Tul-bar also comes in smaller sizes.
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