5:43 am
NWBA Member
April 25, 2011
Hi there,
I'm about to start building my first propane forge, but I'm not quite sure how much insulation to use. I was planing on making a 11" diameter sheet metal cylinder, and then line it with a layer of 1.5" thick ceramic blanket and 1/2" thick castable refractory over that. However, nearly all of the propane forge plans I've seen, use two layers of 1" thick ceramic blanket. Would just the one layer of the 1.5" stuff be OK? (btw, I'm planing on using a Ron Reil type burner.)
Also, I was wondering if it would be possible to make custom firebricks using castable refractory. (would they need to be fired?)
Thanks,
~ Peter
If at first you don't succeed... get a bigger hammer!
10:30 am
April 7, 2011
If you have 1.5" blanket use it. I use 1" then cast with an insolating castable (Kast-0-Lite) then paint on a layer of IR reflective(Plistix). See my post on Knife Dogs Build A Gas Forge showing the way that I build a gas forge.
Wayne Coe
Artist Blacksmith
669 Peters Ford Road
Sunbright, Tennessee
423-628-6444
[EMAIL=waynecoe@highland.net]waynecoe@highland.net[/EMAIL]
http://www.waynecoeartistblacksmith.com
10:30 am
April 7, 2011
If you have 1.5" blanket use it. I use 1" then cast with an insolating castable (Kast-0-Lite) then paint on a layer of IR reflective(Plistix). See my post on Knife Dogs Build A Gas Forge showing the way that I build a gas forge.
Wayne Coe
Artist Blacksmith
669 Peters Ford Road
Sunbright, Tennessee
423-628-6444
[EMAIL=waynecoe@highland.net]waynecoe@highland.net[/EMAIL]
http://www.waynecoeartistblacksmith.com
12:52 am
NWBA Member
April 25, 2011
Cool, thanks for the link. I found your tutorial very helpful. (btw, I'm pretty sure only the last part of the url is correct.) I actually don't have any ceramic blanket yet, I just wanted to make sure 1.5" would be enough insulation before I bought some.
If at first you don't succeed... get a bigger hammer!
10:21 am
April 7, 2011
Thanks Peter, Let me know if I can help you. I can supply all of the blanket (Inswool) Kast-0-Llite and Plistix. Check out my website for more information.
Wayne Coe
Artist Blacksmith
669 Peters Ford Road
Sunbright, Tennessee
423-628-6444
[EMAIL=waynecoe@highland.net]waynecoe@highland.net[/EMAIL]
http://www.waynecoeartistblacksmith.com
12:01 am
June 24, 2010
My forge has 1" of kaowool on the ends and seems to work okay. My guess is there wouldn't be a huge difference between 1-1/2" and 2". But there's no question that 2" would give better insulation -- I'd use it unless there's a good reason not to.
If you use 2 layers of 1" wool, you will likely need to replace only the inner layer when you reline. That in itself is a probable cost savings over 1-1/2" wool over the life of the forge.
6:28 pm
April 12, 2010
honestly, don't wast your time with the blanket just use kastolite.
I use the ron reil style burner in mine and it works great.
mine was built from an old helium can and used a sono tube (normally used for concrete work) as my mold. once the cast-able has set up you just tear out the cardboard tube. Ill head out to the shop now and shoot a pic.
6:45 pm
April 7, 2011
I'm sorry but I don't agree with Ryan and have never heard anyone else make this recommendation, though I have known of others who did it this way. Ryan, I am not trying to be insulting. We just have differing openions.
Inswool is cheaper than the Kast-0-Lite, is lighter, and is a better insolator.
Maybe I should just keep my mouth shut and sell more Kast-0-Lite but I don't do business that way. Actually I am in this to help other blacksmiths and knifemakers, not to make the money. Though, it is nice to have a little "walking around money" and help pay for all these conferences I go to.
Wayne Coe
Artist Blacksmith
669 Peters Ford Road
Sunbright, Tennessee
423-628-6444
[EMAIL=waynecoe@highland.net]waynecoe@highland.net[/EMAIL]
http://www.waynecoeartistblacksmith.com
7:12 pm
April 12, 2010
this was a 12 inch tank and a 8"sono tube. the other forge we built the same day was a 10.50" tank and we also used the same 8" sono tube to cast it as well. we used a hole saw and drilled through and stuck a piece of well greased pipe between the two for the burner.
I haven't test fired mine yet, buy my buddy's that we built the same day works awesome.
also you want your burner to come through so that your flame follows the apex on around. causing a more complete burn and you don't get as much of a single hot spot on the wall this way.
once your forge is built save your pennies and buy a jar of ITC-100 and coat the inside. You will be amazed with the difference.
sorry about the lousy paint shop but you get the idea.
7:23 pm
April 12, 2010
A bag of kastolite over here is 40 bucks. I built 2 forges with one bag. pretty cheap to me.
I'm not saying wool is bad, but in my experience castable is better. More durable, no wool particles in the air, and last a lot longer. Over here in the Northwest, most of us full time smiths and a lot of hobbyist have switched over to castable. Either the kastolite 30 which is what I use or the MIZZOU.
8:30 pm
April 12, 2010
http://www.seattlepotterysupply.com/
http://www.clayartcenter.net/~.....th=238_169
these places carry what you need locally
9:19 pm
April 7, 2011
save your pennies and buy a jar of ITC-100 and coat the inside. You will be amazed with the difference.
ITC-100 $40.00 per pint
Plistix $10.00 per pint
Metrikote $15.00 per pint
And yes, you will be amazed with the difference. My testing with Plistix over Kast-0-Lite is that the metal got hotter in about half the time, so, this means you will get twice as much work done in half as much time using half as much gas but you will be working twice as hard,,,,if you keep up.
Wayne Coe
Artist Blacksmith
669 Peters Ford Road
Sunbright, Tennessee
423-628-6444
[EMAIL=waynecoe@highland.net]waynecoe@highland.net[/EMAIL]
http://www.waynecoeartistblacksmith.com
3:27 am
March 22, 2010
Yeah, Seattle Potter supply, called them up years ago, said, blacksmith forge, they knew what to send, UPS, couple days later, mixed the mud, two 8" stove pipes, 5 inch ID, 11 inches long, been cooking here now about 20 years.
No wear and tear except on one edge where the tongs hit the edge of one side.
5:53 am
NWBA Member
April 25, 2011
Thanks for all the information guys! I guess I will go with the 2 layers of the 1" blanket and some kastolite and plistix over that. Plain castable would definitely be easier, but if I use both, I'll hopefully get the best of both worlds. 😀
If at first you don't succeed... get a bigger hammer!
6:13 am
April 12, 2010
You wont have any noticeable gains by using wool and kastolite. Also the wool is just an added expense you don't need.
burner parts, hose, valve, castable and bricks your probably looking at about $120 bucks + or - not including propane tank.
I'm not saying it wont work, but it really isn't necessary.
the best way to find out is try it. report back with your results.
6:13 am
NWBA Member
July 9, 2010
3:17 am
NWBA Member
November 8, 2010
J Wilson;15832 wrote: Try the two layers and let us know how it works out.
Looks good, Ryan. You even got it centered!~
I do the composite thing on my little micro forge. The wool people make a 'paper board' product that has the R value of 1" wool and it's only 1/4" thick. I line the can with that and then cast at least an inch over it. I've noticed it does help.
Agreed- the ol' venturi's are hard to beat.
They only remember you when you SCREW UP~!!!
5:31 am
April 12, 2010
thanks Steve.
Ive been observing all the different forges for the last 14 years and this design really is hard to beat.
also, as a note. I do a "port and polish" on my burners. I grind out the threads and run a big counter sink down to the bottom of the bell reducer and in the end of the tube to make a nice transition. It seems to run a bit better than ones we have built in the past that had the threads in them still.
3:58 pm
NWBA Member
November 8, 2010
Ryan Wilson;15842 wrote: thanks Steve.
Ive been observing all the different forges for the last 14 years and this design really is hard to beat.also, as a note. I do a "port and polish" on my burners. I grind out the threads and run a big counter sink down to the bottom of the bell reducer and in the end of the tube to make a nice transition. It seems to run a bit better than ones we have built in the past that had the threads in them still.
Absolutely. The original Reil burner had a 1 1/4 to 3/4 bell and I started with that size. When I went to the 1 1/2 x 3/4 and ground the threads out, it was noticeably better. I can really get a growl out of the little burner like it's blown~:p
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