5:02 pm
NWBA Member
March 10, 2011
Hi Y'all-
So I have a question; it was suggested to me by someone mechanically inclined though not so familiar with the LG that I replace the cloth that sits up top of the babbits with some copper scrubby material, like you'd use in the kitchen. (Cut and fit down in there and then filled with oil.)
The idea being, I suppose, that that material is there just to keep dust, etc. out of the bearings and the copper is soft enough that even if some got down into the shaft that it wouldn't cause any issues. Is there a problem with this idea that I'm not seeing? It seems like a sound enough idea.
Also, do you use bar oil for the babbits as well? I have so far, with no issue, but I'm not sure that it's the right choice.
Thanks!
Anne
11:56 pm
September 24, 2010
The cotton or felt covers also act as oil wicks and tend to regulate the amount of oil that flows into the bearings. If the holes are completely uncovered, the oil will run right out after application so the covers play a dual role. The copper mat would be better than nothing but not as good as the finer materials. It's better to have a light continual lube film on babbitt (and other bearing materials) rather than a quick flood followed by little or nothing while being used.
1:34 am
December 12, 2010
3:24 am
September 24, 2010
Richard Kern's book, "The Little Giant Powerhammer" has a couple of chapters on proper lubrication of bearings and discusses wicks, oiling cups, journal design, etc. I've seen a few hammers with drip oilers mounted to the top of the bearing cap - which is also a good idea.
4:44 pm
NWBA Member
March 10, 2011
5:04 pm
September 24, 2010
There are two appendices in the back of the book that discuss bearings. They don't specifically say that LG bearings should be oiled at a rate of 12.5 drops per minute (or whatever) but do clearly outline good practice, to include various methods of lubing.
4:21 pm
NWBA Member
March 17, 2012
When I was running a 100 lb-er, I simply cut some Scotchbrite to fit the oil galley holes and called it good. Kept out the normal level of dust. During the rebuilt we also installed some Zirc fittings that seemed to do the job required. That hammer ran like brand new for eight years after the rebuild, still tight.
My ceiling had an oil fan all the way round the hammer top and every old smith who visited never complained about whether I oiled it enough or not. Run it "wet" and you shouldn't get any negative commentary.
12:35 pm
NWBA Member
January 19, 2011
Mike Blue;17131 wrote: When I was running a 100 lb-er, I simply cut some Scotchbrite to fit the oil galley holes and called it good. Kept out the normal level of dust. During the rebuilt we also installed some Zirc fittings that seemed to do the job required. That hammer ran like brand new for eight years after the rebuild, still tight.
My ceiling had an oil fan all the way round the hammer top and every old smith who visited never complained about whether I oiled it enough or not. Run it "wet" and you shouldn't get any negative commentary.
Hi all , I have had a couple little giants you cant over oil them. you sure can under oil them. I have rebuilt a couple of them also I always went to grease fitting at that point not as messy as the oil. For oil I use chainsaw bar oil I used it on every thing, and I put it on liberly. I just put chunck of a hickery shirt in the oil cups and kept oil on it. A lot of this is how hard you are running the hammer at the Time.If you are yousing oil you will have a stripe on the wall from the oil being slung. keep the clutch bering greased if you over grease the hammer will keep turning over. I will be happy to help give me a call if you have any quetions 360 710 2248 Bill Apple
P S Hope to see you at the open forge
4:58 pm
NWBA Member
March 10, 2011
8:32 pm
May 22, 2010
A hickory shirt is a good sturdy shirt like the old railroad folks used to use. Generally it's a triple stitched tough cotton type shirt, almost like "Carhart" pants if you will. I think any material will work that is good at "wicking". This means most "Cotton" fabric will work. ps. I wouldn't use something flammable like polyester.... just saying.
On a side note, Brenda and I bought a 25 LB LG from Bill, it's working great now. I replaced the heads with brand new ones and now have the typical "oil stripe" all around the clutch wheel ... yes, the ceiling, floor ... anything within about 15 feet of the hammer! :mstickle: I oil it every time I use it, more if I use it more than an hour at a time. I've been having a blast playing with it and getting used to how it works. Earplugs are a necessity as well as being safe of course, keep your hands clear!
Bill replaced the Babbitt bearings and the Babbitt oilers with zerk fittings so I use a grease gun on those and they work excellent so far! Zerk is the way to go for the babbitt bearings and anywhere else you can, they make lubricating maintenance so much more easy!
Thanks again Bill for the Hammer!
We hope to come to the Hammer-in, but work has been wanting to work Overtime a lot since the new year, so time will tell whether or not we will be there.
Hope to make it, if not, take care all and have a great time! :showoff:
Brad Roland :hot:
8:49 pm
NWBA Member
July 9, 2010
Anne Bujold;17147 wrote: ...
What's a hickory shirt?
Shirt made from Hickory Cloth. A narrow blue and white vertical stripe heavy Cotton. Not uncommonly found on the bodies of Blacksmiths, Heavy equipment operators and loggers. Made by Key, Carhart, Whistle Work and a few others.
My son is the Blacksmith
12:07 am
March 22, 2010
I think most of the previous information is good. I prefer light oil to grease on babbit or bronze but only because the oil washes out anything that might get in the bearing where grease might hold it. As far as lubrication goes once grease gets hot it more or less turns to oil and the grease stays in place with less fuss and fear of running it dry.
A well maintained hammer should be covered in oil/grease. Thats one of the things I look for when inspecting a running hammer. If its not a mess with oil then its not been oiled enough.
I think cotton cloth in the bottom of the valley and cotton batting on top is best to wad in the bearing oil valley, just like others have said its more about holding some of the oil and allowing it to drip/wick into the bearing over time.
Just remember you simply cannot oil a machine too often. I think the best thing is a golden-rod oil can right next to the hammer and several times a day put a few squirts every where you can. Dont forget to oil all the pin/pivot points in the toggles and arms, The pitman and the guides. Depending on what kind of clutch you have it might require some oil as well (wood blocks need oiled and I often put just a touch on friction belt clutches as well)
Whatever you are, be a good one.
Abraham Lincoln
6:15 am
NWBA Member
March 10, 2011
Thanks guys.
There's some sort of cloth in there, whatever was in there when it came my way. Someone's idea was the copper scrubbie material, sounds like it sort of doesn't matter, as long as it's getting plenty of lubrication, and there's some wicking material up top? I think I've figured out where all the points are. Though I still can't figure out where in that Kern book there's a section on the topic. I've looked several times.
I'm sure I'm probably gentler on it than most folks would be, but I'm just trying to be careful, and take the best care of it I can. And ignorance seems as dangerous as being rough on it.
8:33 pm
December 12, 2010
My 50# LG, and most of them, are from a different era. As they were designed and as Larry said, LG's should be dripping in oil. My LG was built in 1922 and I don't believe there were sealed bearing then. I don't think it matters what material you use as long as it works. I have chosen to use the oil can and oil it before I start and every hour. The LG's have so much character and I'm sure each one is a little different.
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