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September 1, 2010
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Grant,
This is not an article submission so I hope you don't mind. I had an idea / suggestion for the forum, I thought posting it here would let it hang around longer than a private message if you thought it had any merit. The idea is a Tutorial section, with sub-sections listed like bladesmithing, anvil work, tool making etc. Then the threads could be individual processes or how-to projects marked or set to private posting or however, with a comments / questions thread just under each tutorial so it does not get muddled and allowing the tutorial to be expanded upon, or with other techniques or processes as is thought necessary. As I was writing this I had a thought, I think it would be cool to start tutorials with the forum members using their combined knowledge and experience. And form a tutorial with comments made by them and edited into a NWBA recommended how to. It could be posted with all the comments at the end showing how it was formed and expanded. If it works I think it would be a wonderful and unique learning tool. Bob

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September 1, 2010
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Good idea using this area. Pretty cool the way it can be set up so only you and I can see the thread.

I like your idea. Give it some more thought. Maybe work through an example of how you think it could work and get back to me. Then maybe we'll do a test of it.

Thanks for the ideas! I really want this site to be developed by the people using it.
Grant

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but then there are others who, with the help of their art and their intelligence,
transform a yellow spot into the sun.” ~ Pablo Picasso ~

September 1, 2010
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Grant,
I went to the vBulletin web site and looked around and am in the ‘demo’ at the moment. It appears it is a Joomla / phpBB3 hack, I am not able to see the server side php so I’m guessing. If so it is very versatile software and easy to customize, anyway the usergroup system seems functional for the purpose of an article or forum type tutorial system. I see a top level tutorial section as the most functional for new visitors. Perhaps it could function as: in the forum a tutorial section ,in the tool making section a how to make tongs sub-section is started with requests for tongs tutorials and demos in a sticky open for comments. The individual tutorials / demos as separate threads locked to allow only the original poster posting / editing access into them when the tut / demo is ready it could be moved or promoted into the proper CMS tutorial section. As comments and questions are raised back in the forum a question raised in the comments thread” what’s the best tongs for a beginner to make?” good question, so a new sticky thread is started “easy to make tongs for a beginner”. As content is available the “beginner’s tongs” by NWBA forum members thread is started by the tutorial editing group and built form the comments. If/when the NWBA beginner’s tongs matures it is promoted into the proper CMS tutorial section as any other would be. The decision to move a tut /demo into the CMS perhaps promotion could be by general consensus and agreement, voting or just the recommendation of the editing group, as nothing is in stone updating and editing could be and ongoing process. So am I heading in the right direction? Or where would you like to see this going?
Bob

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September 1, 2010
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It actually predates both of those and was written from scratch. Interesting (if you're interested in that kind of thing) the way it's written. Nearly everything you would define (even text strings) in the templates is written in variables instead of literals. Then all of the variables are declared in tables. So you can tweak it without screwing with the templates.

Very robust permission system, for sure. This forum is set to "can see others posts" > no. That way only the author and admins can see it. People are used to pre-formatted pages and have a hard time understanding that the page is assembled "on the fly" based on all the permissions. Not everybody sees the same page the same way. In the future there will be a usergroup of "NWBA members" who will see even more content, like current newsletters. There is even a "global ignore" where no one sees your posts but you. And of course you can set your personal settings to ignore someone and their posts won't even show up when you view the forums.

Anyway, on the tutorial project, I'll mull it over a bit. Like to keep things as simple as possible - "The best answer is the simplest one that works"! I'm leaning toward an open format so that people can ask relevant questions and then prune it before publishing to the "Tutorial" section of the CMS. Of course nothing will be chiseled in stone and we can tweak it as we see the needs.

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but then there are others who, with the help of their art and their intelligence,
transform a yellow spot into the sun.” ~ Pablo Picasso ~

September 2, 2010
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Grant,
I hope you don’t feel like I’m nudging you along, it’s not my intention. I’m just tossing out ideas at you, I know full well you spend a lot of time at administrating this site, you either love it or it soon becomes a pain. Adding a feature can be a difficult and if it is unused or worse misused all the work you put into it seems wasted, not to mention more admin work.
I just have the opinion that the web needs a web site that offers quality modern blacksmithing techniques and procedures for beginners. I may have missed it but I don’t think there is much of anything on the web (in the form of a useable collection), and that seems odd. Iforge may bring back their blueprints so the gap in tutorials may someday change, on the other hand there is something to be said for comparable redundancy. I’m sure that my perceived discrepancy will correct itself with or without my input.
I think I may have an ulterior motive, I want your site to be more popular than iforge, you on the other hand you may be hoping it doesn’t. So before I get your goat maybe I should ask, what does Grant want? At any rate if you want more input from me please indicate it as I feel like I’m pushing so I intend to leave you alone on the subject.
Oh, as always I forget to state what I feel is so obvious to me, your site is very nicely done, it shows your handling like a makers mark it is clean, balanced and well executed. I thank you for tolerating my presence :poop: or essence some might say and will do my upmost not to make you regret it :banghead:.
Bob

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September 9, 2010
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Private chat thread is a great idea. Having away to track a conversation is best, email sucks, that is if some individuals don’t drive you crazy, whoops that would be me. I hope the tutorial section does not become a nuisance or burden, I’d feel bad if it goes wrong. I asked you to start a thread in the tutorial section thinking some or a lot of people will not know what to do. I don’t think anybody else has set up a system like this and new stuff makes the natives wary. I was thinking a word from the chief might remove some of the bad juju. I’m hoping people will loosen up and have some fun building the tutorials.
Bob

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September 11, 2010
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Grant,
I was looking at the number of posts I have made, I did not mean to flood the forum with my babble, I know many people can find me irritating to say the least. Web sites attract people from content, and if the content is wrong it can affect it. I do want the best for this site you have built, and you may have been gritting your teeth and shaking your head. What I’m trying to say is; I intend to limit my posts and mind my own business from here out. I do not want to apologize as my intentions are good, but if you’re wondering what to do I’d like to ease your mind.
Bob

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September 11, 2010
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Boy, you worry a lot. As long as your comments are relevant, don't worry about it. I appreciate your input.........really!

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September 17, 2010
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Grant,
How are you today? This may be a hair brained idea, like that would surprise you. I was wondering if you think it would be a positive addition to the forum to take an undeveloped product, such as in my knife vice, ok you caught me, and publicly show the process from specification to material selection thru developing the tooling to manufacturing of the completed product. You and a number of others in this forum have an enormous amount of talent and experience, however, I know that does not preclude disinterest in such a project. I thought it would allow others a view into process they may never be involved in, and it may prove very inspiring, or it may end up a hairball. Anyway, I thought I ask you privately, you may be sick of me and would prefer my silence. If you think it would be positive and you think the knife vice would be a good product for the thread, you need to understand, it unfortunately must be an intellectual exercise, I am in an uncomfortable financial situation at the moment. Because of this the actual product will most likely be developed in a slightly less professional manner, unless I can convince David to purchase a manufacturing license.:bounce:
Bob

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September 18, 2010
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Oh snap, duh, this is a blacksmith site it has nothing to do with what I’m talking about. I forget just because many of the guys here use the tools of a manufacturer does not mean anyone here is interested in manufacturing anything. Sorry Grant, I’m a nut.
Bob

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September 19, 2010
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I hate to keep bugging you, I know ’then stop’, but I’m unsure how you want the tutorial section to work. Perhaps it’s obvious and I’m just too thick to see it, as you have probably noticed I need some guidance. I noticed more than one member interested in hinge benders have posted and when one person posts, well you know. I was thinking a hinge bender tutorial just might get some guys to show off their babies, ugly or not. How should this work? or should I shut up?

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