12:23 am
March 22, 2010
david hyde;1809 wrote: Having the "tool disease" (1)
(1) otherwise known as Larry's syndrome
Im going to take that as a compliment :p
Whatever you are, be a good one.
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12:33 am
March 26, 2010
Larry L;1810 wrote: Im going to take that as a compliment :p
.... was meant as one 🙂
2:49 am
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August 1, 2010
OK, it's a different market, but in Leica cameras (almost no other brand) "collectors" have indeed altered the market, in weird ways. As in cameras Leica and their dealers couldn't sell new, so they go out of production, and then all worldwide inventory is sucked into collections overnight, and started trading for more than they did when new.
It doesn't appear that those sorts of behavoirs affect the market for blacksmith tools - a new anvil is quite costly, but you can buy new anvils of very high quality, and if you can swallow the cost and the shipping, they are available.
Larry, on the other hand, seems to be engaged in "market making" - as in "buy things that look interesting" and then "try to sell them for more than he paid".
I personally am not a hoarder, rather a very optimistic project starter. So my shop is full of tools that will someday I swear really for sure be put to use on great projects. But in the mean time I'm busy buying other stuff to support other great projects.
Really.
3:45 am
March 22, 2010
Really what it comes down to for me is I simply like tools.... Some people want to have every transformer or star wars action figure... Some lil glass figures..... I like tools... I used to buy tools just because they are cool (not so much these days but only because Im broke).. I have a collection of old tools that are not meant to use, just to look at... Although if one could be put to work and not destroyed Id take it off the wall for the day...
I know that having a bunch of stuff does not make me a better metal worker... On the contrary I think it makes me hyper-aware of my limitations It seemed like I could do a lot more before I had the tools to do it right...:cold:
Anyway I make no excuses... I am OK most days with being over equipped and I am certanly not going to buy a new gizmo simply because I have no idea how to use it... When I bought my first powerhammer I I could hardly forge a straight taper (it seems like many days I can still hardly forge a straight taper)
I do know the difference between collecting and hording though.... Horders want all of it and dont want to let it go..... I dont, I just want one of each (and am happy to send it to a new home when something else bright and shiny comes along....)
Whatever you are, be a good one.
Abraham Lincoln
4:55 pm
May 14, 2010
Larry L;1819 wrote:
I do know the difference between collecting and hording though.... Horders want all of it and dont want to let it go..... I dont, I just want one of each (and am happy to send it to a new home when something else bright and shiny comes along....)
Larry, you are definitely NOT a hoarder (by definition). We've all seen tools come in AND go out of your shop. Thank goodness that you are easily distracted by the next shiny object that comes along. That gives the rest of us a shot at the smaller, less shiny tool that you just got bored with. 🙂
I find it sad to see woobees (Grant's term) snap up seriously good tools, just so they can brag about all the cool tools that they have to do all the work that they'll never do. The Woobee's Garage- "Where good tools go to die". :stomp:
10:58 pm
April 21, 2010
Well I just got my acquisition from Larry running a couple hours ago and the first thing I did was heat up some w-1 and start playing. I was really surprised about the amount of control it took to hold it in place while it went up and down.
But in the original post I wasn't accusing Larry of Hoarding, I was making a joke about his pile o anvils he has. I recall the British guy asking why we americans get so worked up over them.....thats all
1:40 am
August 14, 2010
Um, I'm new here, so I don't know why Larry feels that the original post was directed at him, but it sure looks to me like Ries was trying to point out the silliness of accusing collectors of driving up prices. There are lots of reasons for the increase in anvil prices, one being plain old inflation of everything and the other being a growth in interest in smithing that means a lot more folks want anvils.
When I started (a mere 20 years ago) Centaur forge was pretty much the only game around for new equipment; there's been a tremendous growth in suppliers and manufacturers of tools and equipment. I bet that the prices for new stuff has gone down if adjusted for inflation.
People will always complain about prices, that's their problem, not mine.
3:23 am
March 22, 2010
I almost never complain .... I also almost never eat, sleep or work
Whatever you are, be a good one.
Abraham Lincoln
12:50 pm
May 15, 2010
I'm not hoarding:skull:
I'm just drinking!
signed,
Still at the bar.
Michael Dillon
http://dillonforge.com/
1:27 pm
August 14, 2010
12:49 am
NWBA Member
September 25, 2010
Just to reactivate an older post since I am making my way through all the great stuff here. 🙂
I had dabbled quite a bit at other peoples forges for years before I got serious last year. I had moved to Ohio with my wife and all my friends were back here on the west coast.
My first anvil is a small rail anvil that had been cut into an anvil shape. I used it primarily for armor work in the SCA for friends (I don't fight anymore). My first forge was a Tim Lively style charcoal knife forge made from an old air tank. I had some really good ideas for an adjustable tuyere and while the plan was good, it wasn't perfect, but it worked beautifully anyway with an old hair drier I found for $1.50 at the thrift shop. I even added a foot switch from christmas. 😀 I lucked out and found a beast of a post vise locally (8" jaws). Set up my forge area next to my mother-in-law's house and started working.
It was awesome. In previous years, I had been stuck in the "I'll get my gear together, then build a forge" mentality. Last year I just started.
I upgraded my anvil with a slab of 2"x9"x12 steel from the scrap yard. Dressed one face flat and made a cradle for it on my anvil post. That worked even better.
Now, we moved back to the Pacific NW at the end of April, I gave away my forge to a friend of a friend who also wanted to get started, including the hair drier and switch. Since getting back, I have been stone broke, so am simply waiting until the new job starts to pay to make a new charcoal forge (smaller this time). I also got to see friends on Labor day and use his forge to do some work and he gave me an old Army anvil (100lbs I think) that he rescued from the scrap truck at the National Guard base he works at. I almost had puppies I was so excited.
I researched anvils and looked for a traditional anvil for months even while still working on what I had and I have about finished all the hot work on my first knife and I made my first set of tongs as well. I have a long way to go, but I am excited again and looking forward to meeting and learning from many of you.
My main point is that I talked to some of the people out there on Craigslist and Ebay who were selling multiple anvils and they were always pretty set on their price and were not smiths themselves. I also met a member of the WRABA group I joined out there who had the most wonderful shop, went to a hammer in at his place. He had a row of like 20 anvils under his workbench aside from the three ranged around his forge. I asked about them and it was obvious I was a new smith, he said he would acquire them just because he had to have them, he never used most of them. I probed through a friend and that was a little bit of a bone of contention among the members who wanted to encourage new smiths, because he had money and would usually snap up anything that came along in a respectable radius from his house near Oberlin OH.
I'm just really glad I went for it and started with less than the "Perfect Anvil" Thats not to say I won't drop the grand plus for one of Steve's Rhino Anvils when I can and add it to my forge, but I'm good with what I have.
Regards,
Tim Boman
Olalla, WA
Let us make a special effort to stop communicating with each other, so we can have some conversation.
Mark Twain
2:51 am
April 21, 2010
2:49 am
September 26, 2010
Larry L;1819 wrote: Really what it comes down to for me is I simply like tools.... Some people want to have every transformer or star wars action figure... Some lil glass figures..... I like tools... I used to buy tools just because they are cool (not so much these days but only because Im broke).. I have a collection of old tools that are not meant to use, just to look at... Although if one could be put to work and not destroyed Id take it off the wall for the day...
I know that having a bunch of stuff does not make me a better metal worker... On the contrary I think it makes me hyper-aware of my limitations It seemed like I could do a lot more before I had the tools to do it right...:cold:
Anyway I make no excuses... I am OK most days with being over equipped and I am certanly not going to buy a new gizmo simply because I have no idea how to use it... When I bought my first powerhammer I I could hardly forge a straight taper (it seems like many days I can still hardly forge a straight taper)
I do know the difference between collecting and hording though.... Horders want all of it and dont want to let it go..... I dont, I just want one of each (and am happy to send it to a new home when something else bright and shiny comes along....)
Larry-- If I remember right Pack Rats desire shiny things, not hoarders, so you are OK---off the list
5:24 pm
October 21, 2011
Okay, I was curious enough to do a little research on the anvil pricing subject.
The funny thing is...100 plus year old anvils are selling now (after looking at average anvil prices at the Mt. Hood conference) for around the same price they did when they were brand new, adjusting for inflation of course.
Back in the 1900's $1 had roughly the same purchasing power as $20 does today...
My math-challenged self computes that a nickel had the approximate value of a dollar.
Using it as a guideline, this Sears Roebuck ad from 1908 shows that a new Acme anvil was going for 10-15 cents /lb....about $2-$3, not counting shipping of course.
I get the impression from this ad that the Acme anvils were considered somewhat as a "budget brand", and that a top of the line Trenton or Peter Wright would have been higher priced, like a Rhino versus a Nimba is today.
I haven't given this a lot of thought, and there are likely some variables that I haven't considered. But..it doesn't seem like anvil prices have gone up that much.
11:20 pm
March 18, 2010
Iain Heyworth;12801 wrote: it doesn't seem like anvil prices have gone up that much.
Seems like you might be comparing 1908 "new" price to current "used" price. Current "new" price is closer to $6 - $8 per pound. It is kinda cool that in 100 years that anvil is still worth what it sold for new.
“There are painters who transform the sun into a yellow spot,
but then there are others who, with the help of their art and their intelligence,
transform a yellow spot into the sun.” ~ Pablo Picasso ~
2:18 am
March 1, 2011
2:46 am
NWBA Member
June 8, 2010
Grant;12803 wrote: Seems like you might be comparing 1908 "new" price to current "used" price. Current "new" price is closer to $6 - $8 per pound. It is kinda cool that in 100 years that anvil is still worth what it sold for new.
Based on this info, I really scored on my 110# Trenton made about 1880 for $350. It was on consignment at the farrier supply. Kinda choked on the $350. My other was a trade deal... Around 150 or so pounds, ( I've never weighed it ) also a Trenton for around $200 trade.:spin::spin::spin:
1:41 pm
NWBA Member
October 29, 2010
5:27 pm
October 21, 2011
Grant;12803 wrote: Seems like you might be comparing 1908 "new" price to current "used" price. Current "new" price is closer to $6 - $8 per pound. It is kinda cool that in 100 years that anvil is still worth what it sold for new.
Yeah....kinda funny how a relatively common hunk of iron would hold its value so well as a working tool.
4:11 am
October 29, 2010
It has been my experience that most of the smiths I've worked around were far and
away very generous with their knowledge and with their 'spare' equipment. Many times
I have had help given to me to make my own tools or given very good deals on
equipment to help me do my work. To the point where it was almost embarassing.
I also have tried to follow that lead.
I have never been around so many people who are so generous with their knowledge
and time.
We have much to be proud of. Makes for a close knit organization
Dean Moxley
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