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What do you do when you get the Blaws
April 12, 2011
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Larry L
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Man the last few days I have really been lacking in motivation.. Part of it is its just so much work these days to try and keep your head above water... I just finished the biggest job Ive had in a long time and got a big paycheck... only to see it evaporate... 20 grand in the bank one day, $500 the next... Not very inspiring... I have been trying to get ready to take on some contact work and set the shop up accordingly and that seems to be not going so well either.. I have lots of space but its not enough to get the work flow I want and put my machines where they really should be... I spent the last 3 days moving things around (big things) and just dont know how I am going to make it work well... I get to the point I just want to rid my self of everything and simplify... Im going to haul 10 ton or so to scrap later in the week.. mostly to free up space but also because I need the few bucks it will generate... Anyway I know these are small problems and part what you do as a small shop... Im not complaining really just curious what you all do when your not feeling particularly productive?

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April 12, 2011
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Unfortunately I when that happens I often spend too much time on my ass on these forums.

I hear you on the money thing Larry. It seems everyone wants things faster and faster and pays slower and slower. Almost everyone who was paying on 45 days is now out to 60-70 and the 30s are out to 45. One of my biggest customers is paying me $1000/week on the money he owes me. I have billed him for $5000 in the last 2 weeks, he has a bunch more work for me but I am wondering if I can afford to do the work. 2 months from now cash flow will suck again if I don't go find some work for someone else.

April 12, 2011
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If you are going in the hole maybe you just need a bigger truck.

Wayne Coe
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Sunbright, Tennessee
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April 12, 2011
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I usually do what your doing Larry, clean the shop. Anything that has not been used in two years, unless its special or irreplaceable is either sold or scraped. There is something spiritual about cleaning out all the old, and possibly negative energy from the workspace. I will also force myself to take a couple days off after the purge if work and time permits. When I return the shop is ready and more importantly I usually have a new outlook.

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April 12, 2011
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I'm balls to the wall with work (industrial stuff), but I feel your pain on the money end Larry, money comes in, money goes out. I feel like it's a broken sieve that you are trying to fill, but the holes keep getting bigger and bigger. At least that's a good way to describe it. Just paid almost 5gs in insurance, and yayyy it's tax time too. Never ends. I always thought growing up that biz failed bc people weren't industrious enough, well either I was dead wrong or something has changed bc you can work your ass off 90 hours a week, and just tread water. It's batshit crazy.

April 12, 2011
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Shit Larry, at least it sounds like you got caught up with your bills,I should be so lucky.......My Mom still likes to say "there's always somebody worse off than yourself''. (I hate that saying)I nod and bite my tounge........Just keep on keepin on, what else is there:spin:

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April 12, 2011
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Ugh out of the frying pan into the fire. I sold off a bunch of equipment last year to stay afloat ( about 50 grand worth ) and I just got a call from my tax guy who said that because it has previously been depreciated it counts now as pure profit. So instead of the $3600 I actually made the IRS thinks I made 60 grand. Long story short I owe $8000 in taxes when I figured I wouldn't owe anything (how could I I didn't make any income?). What's worse is I'm going to have to borrow it or raid my retirement money to pay it. Might as well close out the retirement account, I'll never be able to anyway

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April 12, 2011
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Nobody told you when you were starting out that blacksmiths never retire?.......Nobody told me either,lol, probly wouldn't have listened anyway. Genetics I reckon.......Funny how annoying it is when the phone rings allot when you're trying to work, the alternative ain't funny.....Anyway I'm getting money back from the irs this year, Happy,Happy,Joy,Joy.......:poop:

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April 13, 2011
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well the cleaning bug is contagious ive been cleaning and painting all my equipment even got a small bottle of white paint and painted the lettering... its lookin nice ... also i just finished the renissance fare and its kinda slow down time ... get ready for travel in a month in a half ... i understand about the money ... cant let it bother ya dont matter how much your makein its never enuf.. but if your not gettin calls from creditors your doin great nowadays! have fun and make sumthin you like .. even if its only sumthin that a few minutes ... it helps

April 13, 2011
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Everybody start merging and sell of all of the excess equipment to generate capital.

Everybody does odd work for wholesale to other blacksmiths who don't have time and then everybody works together on commissions. 😉

I'll never have a shop like you guys' so the best I can hope for is to be assimilated :p

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April 14, 2011
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So, what do you want to do with the rest of your life? What are your goals and what are you doing to fulfill them? You have a bunch of tools and the skill to use them but what do you want to build, I doubt its pointing breaker bars. I have recently been taught a hard lesson from a client of over a decade, seems they threw me to wolfs for no apparent reason. Anyway it really put in perspective what I should be doing and my drive towards that goal is paying off. I really hope you find what your looking for, I feel you have a lot of talent a strong drive and a shit load of kick ass tools, good luck.

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April 14, 2011
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It doest look like it on the surface but my hopE is the breaker points is what will free me up to do the things I want. At $3/each it's over a hundred grand a year worth of work, I can pay my son $20/hr to do the work and the balance should cover all the remaining shop overhead. I won't have to do every crap job that comes threw the door just to tread water. That's the goal

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April 14, 2011
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I'm not trying to say busting bits aint a good job to keep the doors open and any time spent with your boy is good time spent IMO. I wish my boy liked to pound on iron, computer has ahold of him and wont leg go, hopefully its just a phase? Overhead does suck the buck but once you have those toolys its hard to go back, I can see the potential in a wad of tin foil, so Hector the collector be his name. I had to close a shop and layoff people during this shit storm, but showing real passion in the work don't mean you always get paid, one thing I didn't see in the man I bought my hammer from was a hole lot of passion about metal anymore. He had hundreds of thousands breaker bars pass through his hands, had a cool way of moving them around too, a sling made from old tires, and a push behind electric lift. His entire shop was a coke forge, 2 power hammers and a pedestal grinder. What are you working on doing after you get those machines moved round? Lots a time I wonder if I will ever be able to put a pencil to paper again, staring at the blank page.

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April 15, 2011
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yeah I hear ya loud and clear... I dont know what is the ultimate plan but my short term goal is to be able to pay my kid a living wage and keep the shop viable.. Really the "long term" is to save up enough dough I can move to some rural area and buy a big shop cash and not have to work much to pay the bills.. And once there to build things I want to build... At one point I was well on my way there, I figured another 10 years I could make the move... But I am basically starting over now... all the money that was socked away has gone to just keeping the doors open.. Its too bad too because now would be the time to buy that house/shop...

On another note the shop is back togehter and I feel good... I think a big part of my gloom was just not seeing how it was going to work... Well I figured it out and I am happy with the results... So now insted of dread I feel good about being in the space... At least for the moment I feel good about it... Now I just need to clean it up before Saturday.. Darryl Nelson and Tom Ferry are coming over to work on a project... Two people who are a hell of a step above me in skill so I am a little intimidated for them to be working in my shop...

Whatever you are, be a good one.
Abraham Lincoln

April 16, 2011
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I had a very good friend die last Sunday, Richard. He is about the same age as me 50. His funeral is tommorow. I talked to him the night before he died. He pasted away having his last smoke of the night on the patio at a table and BAM masive heart attack------gone.

Remeber the story that Grant told of the Mexican fisherman. Life can be simple.

I once was getting a straight ravor shave from a wise old man in a barber shop in Seligman, AZ on old route 66 and he gave me some of the best advise of my life that rang true to my ears. He said, " Son don't let a dollar ruin your live. Live life today for tomorrow is uncertian. "

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