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December 30, 2010
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hey how about clinker from a side draft;)(ok or a bum draft) it's waste already.maybe

December 30, 2010
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Larry L;5756 wrote: I have an advantage in that I got three big trash bags full of free kaowool to use for such things..

That's awesome! I only need a small bag!

Actually if you have some scraps you'd like to part with I'd be happy to compensate you accordingly. I only need a few bits to put around where my burners are going to be.

I'm going to try a forge like Jymm Hoffman's, but with insulating castable instead of the fiber blanket.

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December 31, 2010
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A Skoda, Jack? Now how many people here got that one? Actually I was pretty envious of a sweet little Skoda diesel pickup I saw when I was working in Barbados a long while ago, If your forges look like that they're pretty nice. (which I suspect they are) I've used a side blast several times and it's fine but I'm used to my own forge as it is and i really don't find that much difference other than fire maintenance. I like a deep fire and the sides of my hearth are cut down for long bars so there's no bending needed in my "bum" blast forge.

I'm going to post a couple of shots of a REALLY UGLY gas forge at work. This was one I originally made for Shelly Thomas to use on medium diameter pipe. It's got a layer of 1" insboard rigid insulation covered with thin hard bricks as the forge bottom but 2" of kaowool as the isulation in the top which is nothing but a little more than half a propane tank. The top flips open to allow easy loading and for odd shapes to be accomodated. The burners fire up vertically which may seem strange to many but it gets things really hot. I've never welded in this thing (it's the first time it's been fired since June) but the bottom design is one that works fairly well. I closed off the end openings a bit with a couple of bits of scabbed on kaowool for this operation since they were originally sized for 4" pipe and I was working 3/8 by 3/4 here. Just goes to prove that a forge doesn't have to be pretty to work well- you can always tuck it away out of sight till you need it again. (grin) The looks reflect that this thing was originally built on a really tight schedule (really really tight)- but it works. Steve G

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SGensh;5769 wrote: A Skoda, Jack? Now how many people here got that one? Actually I was pretty envious of a sweet little Skoda diesel pickup I saw when I was working in Barbados a long while ago, If your forges look like that they're pretty nice. (which I suspect they are) I've used a side blast several times and it's fine but I'm used to my own forge as it is and i really don't find that much difference other than fire maintenance. I like a deep fire and the sides of my hearth are cut down for long bars so there's no bending needed in my "bum" blast forge.

I'm going to post a couple of shots of a REALLY UGLY gas forge at work. This was one I originally made for Shelly Thomas to use on medium diameter pipe. It's got a layer of 1" insboard rigid insulation covered with thin hard bricks as the forge bottom but 2" of kaowool as the isulation in the top which is nothing but a little more than half a propane tank. The top flips open to allow easy loading and for odd shapes to be accomodated. The burners fire up vertically which may seem strange to many but it gets things really hot. I've never welded in this thing (it's the first time it's been fired since June) but the bottom design is one that works fairly well. I closed off the end openings a bit with a couple of bits of scabbed on kaowool for this operation since they were originally sized for 4" pipe and I was working 3/8 by 3/4 here. Just goes to prove that a forge doesn't have to be pretty to work well- you can always tuck it away out of sight till you need it again. (grin) The looks reflect that this thing was originally built on a really tight schedule (really really tight)- but it works. Steve G

It really doesn't matter if your forge is ugly or nice. All that matters is that it does what you want it to do. An elliptical oval is a bitch at best.

When asked to make a table top with an elliptical oval, I always require the the designer/client to have the top made first, then I trace the top to make the frame. It seems to me that no one glass/stone manufacturer has the same dimensions given X and Y. Also, I bill extra for an elliptical oval as it normally takes twice as long to to make.

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December 31, 2010
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Thats good to know John, I tried my hand at an elliptical granite table recently and the thing kicked my ass, I couldn't believe how much time it took.... Glad to hear I just wasn't being a retard

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December 31, 2010
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JimB;5762 wrote: That's awesome! I only need a small bag!

Actually if you have some scraps you'd like to part with I'd be happy to compensate you accordingly. I only need a few bits to put around where my burners are going to be.

I'm going to try a forge like Jymm Hoffman's, but with insulating castable instead of the fiber blanket.

How much do you need? Could I stuff a flat rate box full and that be enough?

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December 31, 2010
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So I have been running my ribbon burner a bit with the new castable liner... It looks like it is going to be hell for durable but it sure makes a world of difference in performance.. I have two inches of mizzu coated with ITC-100 and it now takes about 30 min to get up to temp (2300 deg) when I had the two layers of kaowool in there I could have it to 2500 deg in about 12 mins.. I ordered a box of 2600 deg kaowool and am going to put a loose blanket layer around to see if I can help it out a bit...

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December 31, 2010
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lol sgnesh

what do you call a skoda with twin exhausts?
why does a skoda have a rear window heater?
what's the difference between a skoda and a sheep?

PS I like any solid fuel forge really. just get up against the wall with those bum blasts;)

as for my precious.(forge) it is a pig (i'll get pictures)

December 31, 2010
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I imagine that would be plenty, Larry. Shoot me a PM and let me know what's going on.

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December 31, 2010
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Just out of curiosity how thick did you cast your Mizzou, Larry?

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Larry,

I guess kaowool does make sense as a one-use thing. If you've got enough of it, at least.

I saw some Skodas in Sweden last summer. The newer ones look like any other European car. Whether they've improved on the inside as well may be a different question.

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lol the skoda is now made by BMW so no worries. in the old days it was not and was still not as bad as the jokes.
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less embarrassing getting out the back of a sheep in front of your mates

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Larry L;5756 wrote: I have an advantage in that I got three big trash bags full of free kaowool to use for such things..

how bout a late christmas present? send me 1 sq ft of kaowool?? so I can finish my forge.

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January 3, 2011
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I want a Skoda that looks like this-

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February 1, 2011
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Just had an Idea.
Is it just Borax is destroying forges?

If so try silver sand as flux.
maybe it is less corrosive.

February 1, 2011
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Marty;5839 wrote: how bout a late christmas present? send me 1 sq ft of kaowool?? so I can finish my forge.

Hey Marty, I just saw this post... send me your address in a PM and I'll send you a flat rate box full....

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February 1, 2011
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What's silver sand?

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real fine sand? without iron oxides apparently;) I think the garden centre would be a good bet.

it goes on when the work is hotter but being sand I can't imagine it harming the fforge as much as borax.

According to the internet it doesn't exist;) sorry I know it is a fine silver or white sand.

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actually have never heard of it being used before, sounds interesting but dont think it will flow like borax does into all the little spaces. How does it move at all if not in a molten state? Just asking questions, cause...sand becomes glass at heat how can that help with welding.

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Borax becomes glass too. Silica sand was the standard flux for wrought iron. Takes too high of temperature to use with steel though.

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