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Forge welding Brass?
September 6, 2010
6:38 am
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rlevine
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Greetings all,

Is it possible to forgeweld brass??? I have access to about a 90# slab of brass that I want to do some forged projects out of. I don't want to be upsetting Brass for the remainder of my life so I thought about just folding and forge welding it to make thicker pieces.

Do I just use the same technique as for steel???

Thanks in advance,
Ron

September 6, 2010
7:36 pm
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Grant
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Interesting question. I wish Phil Baldwin was on here, he knows a lot about that sort of stuff. Hey Ries! Get Phil on here.

What I "think" I know and what I don't know: Copper metals are pressure welded by clamping and heating to the "right" temperature. Does that mean brass can be hammer welded? My experience would lead me to believe it cannot. At the right temperature for "solid state" bonding, brass has very little integrity - it falls apart. I think this is why it is bonded in the above manner. Undisturbed, it can be raised to a temperature very close to melting, but almost anything will cause it to fall apart at that temperature.

Guess you could melt it!

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September 6, 2010
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Hi again Ron,
I have never tried to it but you could try. First wear a lot of safety equipment, safety glasses and a shield would be a must. You see if you heat brass, or any non steel / iron metal that I know of, to red and hit it, it will crumble, don’t hit it hard! You may be able to heat it hot enough to press it together in a container. However, if you go that far it would be far easier to smelt and pour it into an ingot. Smelting brass has many of its own dangers and problems. You’ll need to do a bit of research before trying it. the easiest way I have found to shape brass is with a torch you can braise smaller pieces together with a little finesse, however it is a PITA when you watch it melt into a puddle just when it’s just about where you want. You could try making a mold and placing it in your forge with a charge of brass, keep an eye on it and don’t forget to flux. You can cold forge brass by annealing it first and when it work hardens re-anneal, however some or really most brass does not work cold well, the only alloy I know of that works a little easier and is commonly available is known as cartridge brass, it is usually made into pipes and yes cartridges. You probably have 360 brass, it’s the hard to work cold type, although great for machine work. If you want my opinion, and you may not, I’d find a project to use it by cutting it in shapes as close to its present height and width as it allows. I type slow and Grant has covered most of what I have said while I did, but what the heck.
Bob

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September 6, 2010
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I recently forged a bunch of brass, several different alloys. Much of it ended up crumbling it was VERY temperature sensitive. I used my press rather than the hammer because the slower movement made a big difference in whether it ruptured or not, even with the same reduction in section the press worked where the hammer did not. I ended up going directly to a swage rather than roughing down and then swaging as the containment seemed to help prevent the crumbling. I ended up getting what the customer wanted but it was a long frustrating day.

September 6, 2010
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I've made "quarter mokume" by heating a stack of quarters close to melting and then tapping on them with a hammer. But quarters are copper clad with a copper-nickel alloy. Not the same thing as brass at all.

September 6, 2010
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Hello Newman, (I did that in my best Jerry Seinfeld voice, I hope you were impressed)
Back when I first started working lead was used as filler in autobody repair. It is worked much the same way, it will press together at the proper heat, like many materials it melts* under pressure and when near its liquid temperature it takes little pressure to take it there. Keeping it in shape is the hardest part as the edges seem to want to press out and break. I’m impressed you were able to work it out, that must have been frustrating.
Bob
*Edit ( I just reread this, I misspoke, pressure lowers the melting point, it does not directly melt anything.)

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September 6, 2010
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It's not forge welding brass but maybe related.

A few years ago I went to a BABA meeting where Mark Constable demonstrated pressure welding a stack of alternating layers of brass and "another metal" to make mokume game. I can't remember which the other metal was, I dimly recall aluminium bronze being used.

The stack was clamped between two pressure plates and heated in a coal forge. The critical point was when he saw a "puff" of blue/white "smoke". This was zinc from the brass starting to melt and fuse with the "other metal". Think possibly he gave the presure plate a clout when it was pulled from the forge. It worked remarkaly The stack could then be worked hot when the plate where removed. I'll dig out the notes cos I've probably missed something crucial.

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Before buying any welding tools, have a look at the profile virtual shops to check for product features and compare prices. You'll be surprised to see what a rich offer of products you can find online, at prices that range from low and moderate to incredibly high. Besides the catalogs, many companies also offer consultancy to interested clients; there are presentations of the welding tools, and for each of them you may ask for further details. In case price is not a problem, and you're only after quality, it is good to choose the companies with a longer experience in the welding tools business.

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jameson4170 said
Before buying any welding tools....  

Good morning, jameson, welcome to the forum!  Thanks for the input. 

If I can make a suggestion:  before replying to a thread (here or really any forum on the web) it's always a good idea to look at when the thread/original question was posted and when the most recent response was.  It looks like this question/conversation happened almost 11 years ago, so I doubt that the original parties are still looking for answers.

Stay safe

as always

peace and love

billyO

April 17, 2021
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jameson4170 said
Before buying any welding tools, have a look at the profile virtual shops to check for product features and compare prices. You'll be surprised to see what a rich offer of products you can find online, at prices that range from low and moderate to incredibly high. Besides the catalogs, many companies also offer consultancy to interested clients; there are presentations of the welding tools, and for each of them you may ask for further details. In case price is not a problem, and you're only after quality, it is good to choose the companies with a longer experience in the welding tools business.  

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