10:50 pm
NWBA Member
May 3, 2010
I've got a patio fireplace job using flat plate for sides as well as the top where the grill will be located in the 4" recessed area at the center. With the 40" square and sides 24" high, my client wishes to have the surface highly textured such as etched or pitted with a final rusty color, yet finished on top to be somewhat food friendly, certainly to utensils, etc. This is the same type of finish I've been looking for, for furniture and cabinets, for large surface areas using 1/8" mild steel plate. Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks, Rick
11:38 pm
November 8, 2010
12:11 am
NWBA Member
May 3, 2010
JimB;9692 wrote: That's a pickle.
My knowledge of finishes is tiny compared to most, but I was under the impression that food safe finishes needed to be maintained throughout it's life.
Hopefully somebody with some grains will chime in.
Thanks Jim for your reply. I guess food safe is secondary (they could use a plate). The texture and finish for outside is what is most desirable. Thanks, Rick
12:32 am
November 8, 2010
What kind of texture are you wanting to achieve? Here is an excellent article on rusting on ArtMetal.
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1:21 am
NWBA Member
April 22, 2010
buy textured stainless steel from Rigidized.
Texturing mild steel plate, and expecting it to be flat when you are done, is crazy.
I have a neighbor who has a set of rolls that will do 12' of 1 1/4" plate, and even that wont get a 40" sheet of 1/8" flat again.
Theoretically, you could have it shot blasted- done that, and it warps the hell out of the plate.
Or you could actually hot texture the entire 40" square, by heating a few square inches at a time with a rosebud, and either manually or with a power hammer, beating on it using a die.
But dont expect that to be anywhere near flat.
You could grind it in fancy patterns by hand with a grinder, I suppose- but if you dont do the same thing to both sides of a sheet, it will warp.
(starting to see a trend here?)
The best way to texture sheet or plate is to roll it, in ginormous rolls with machined texturing rolls. Or buy it already textured.
Diamond plate?
1:44 am
November 8, 2010
4:42 am
NWBA Member
May 3, 2010
I think my use of the term textured has led everyone astray. I rather meant texture to mean like acid etched type of texture being rather pitted in a random look. Then with a rusty color for the finish. I'm trying to be clear. I think we've all seen this look, and am not trying for something really new to everyone. Thanks for the efforts though. Please bare with me. Thanks. Rick
11:21 am
May 13, 2010
I have never done anything with this sort of finish or texture but I would be concerned 1/8" is too light for this. If you are going to rust it enough to pit it you are going to weaken it. Then the heating and cooling of a firepit seems to accelerate further rusting, as well the ashes hold moisture and seem to rot steel away. 1-2 years later your customer is going to be needing a new firepit and will be mad at you. What about stainless for the food safe top. The contrast between rust and shiny should look good
12:46 am
April 12, 2010
do you have a power hammer?
cut your piece out oversized, take a good hot heat throw a hand full of heavy forge scale and smash it into the surface, repeat untill you get the desired look.
then the fun part, straighten it.
we have a number of slip on bottom dies with differnt textures and some hand held texture dies that we usually use on copper.
3:37 pm
NWBA Member
May 3, 2010
8:40 pm
NWBA Member
April 19, 2010
Bart Turner mentioned at the Conference that he has flattened largish sections of thin plate in his glass annealing oven. He places weights on the bumped up areas, does a heat cycle, and the work comes out flat, or nearly so. You might talk to him to see if your project might take advantage of his technique and equipment.
11:06 pm
May 13, 2010
11:25 pm
NWBA Member
April 22, 2010
the problem with rust finishes is that once you get em started, they tend to have a mind of their own.
some people use alkaline washes to neutralize the rust, which supposedly works- but I am dubious that the piece wont just keep on rusting indefinitely.
if you use thick enough plate, I guess the lifespan of the steel will be longer than the lifespan of the owner, and that could work.
But no clear coat I have ever seen stops rust for very long.
Deep etching is going to require a resist- they used to use this stuff called "asphaltum", which was just like it sounds- and then a tank of acid to do some serious etching in a reasonable time frame- the really great outdoor rust etched finishes sometimes take 40 years or more, if you just go "au natural".
There are resists for circuit board etching. They should work.
Also, there is plasma etching- I have done this sometimes- you just turn down the amps, and the torch only cuts part way thru- but I use it with my x-y machine, which can follow predrawn designs, and that also controls depth of cut, so the etch is consistent.
Or mechanical etching- with a grinder, a chisel, or even a milling machine.
But if you want to remove significant amounts of metal, its work, no matter what tool you use.
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