9:11 am
August 14, 2018
Hey all...so here's my first solo attempt after I went and took a class and got hopelessly hooked. I know it's not done. I need to hammer out the edge some and then buy a grinder to smooth it up among other things...
So I bought a box of railroad spikes to practice on...one of the things I'm wondering is if it would have been better to try and square up the metal back into more of a thick rectangle shape before trying to flatten it out into a blade so I could get a deeper blade, rather than a longer blade...but I haven't quit figured out how to do that yet. 😉
Anyway...hopefully I'll find some tips and tricks to try. Feedback welcome and appreciated. 🙂
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5:31 pm
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April 26, 2010
I’m wondering is if it would have been better to try and square up the metal back into more of a thick rectangle shape before trying to flatten it out into a blade so I could get a deeper blade, rather than a longer blade…
Two thoughts...
First: Use the peen on your hammer and or the rounded edge on your anvil to control which way the metal moves. Think about how a rolling pin would change the shape of dough. Then think of anvil edges and hammer edges as rolling pins.
Second: A nice wide knife can indeed be forged from a round bar or by forging a square bar on the diamond. Some few folk find it easier than working with flat stock.
No matter where you go... there you are.
8:51 pm
August 14, 2018
Lee Cordochorea said
Two thoughts...
First: Use the peen on your hammer and or the rounded edge on your anvil to control which way the metal moves. Think about how a rolling pin would change the shape of dough. Then think of anvil edges and hammer edges as rolling pins.
Second: A nice wide knife can indeed be forged from a round bar or by forging a square bar on the diamond. Some few folk find it easier than working with flat stock.
Yes...an anvil is one of those other things I need to purchase. Right now i have a piece of railroad track until I can afford a good 100lb anvil.
I did notice the "rolling pin" affect you were talking about tho. 🙂
I still need to get a vice, belt grinder, anvil, quench tank...and to build a shop to put it all in.
Oh...newbie question...what do you use for the oil in the quench tank? Does it need to be heated or can I just put it into a wide PVC pipe that's sealed at the bottom?
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9:33 am
NWBA Member
Board Member
April 26, 2010
"Best" oil to use depends on what steel & desired outcome. Real can-o-worms, that question is! If you are truly interested in diving down that rabbit hole, start here: http://blacksmith.org/blacksmi.....2-heat.pdf and continue here: http://www.hybridburners.com/d.....hoeven.pdf and then find a copy of Tool Steel Simplified by Frank R. Luerssen & George V. Palmer.
For railroad spikes, you can use pretty much anything from vegetable shorting to crank-case oil to expensive high-tech stuff. It's just a railroad spike. (You might even experiment with tap water on an RR spike at some point.)
No matter where you go... there you are.
10:34 am
August 14, 2018
Lee Cordochorea said
For railroad spikes, you can use pretty much anything from vegetable shorting to crank-case oil to expensive high-tech stuff. It's just a railroad spike. (You might even experiment with tap water on an RR spike at some point.)
Ordered 5 gallons of canola oil...that should do the trick. 🙂
Thanks for your input Lee!
No shame, looking for someone to apprentice under in the Pacific Northwest area!! Pls message me if you know who to talk too! :)
6:08 pm
NWBA Member
March 22, 2011
Hi Toffer, and welcome. A few things:
First, most RR spikes are not necessarily high enough carbon to harden when quenched. If it is, warming the oil to about 130 helps the quench.
Regarding using the PVC pipe, even if you don't heat the oil, think about how hot the blade is when you are quenching, very easy to melt the side of a plastic container.
Also, a good way to figure out how to move the steel is to play around with clay.
Have fun.
as always
peace and love
billyO
4:24 pm
August 14, 2018
billyO said
Hi Toffer, and welcome. A few things:First, most RR spikes are not necessarily high enough carbon to harden when quenched. If it is, warming the oil to about 130 helps the quench.
Regarding using the PVC pipe, even if you don't heat the oil, think about how hot the blade is when you are quenching, very easy to melt the side of a plastic container.
Also, a good way to figure out how to move the steel is to play around with clay.
Have fun.
Thanks for the advice billyO. 🙂
No shame, looking for someone to apprentice under in the Pacific Northwest area!! Pls message me if you know who to talk too! :)
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