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9:57 pm
August 16, 2010
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Hello,
I apologize if this is not the right place to post - a blacksmith I met said I should look to this association to find the right supplier, so here I am. Please let me know if there is somewhere else I should look or point my inquiry about the work below - thanks!
I'd like to find a supplier that can make hand-forged, basic pin buckles (not flat front). I'm not looking for expensive ornate buckles, cost is very important. Something in the Capable of producing 2 or more finishes would be preferred. 2 sizes. Initial order quantity 400+.
Thanks,
Cliff
11:40 pm
March 22, 2010
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Well Cliff Id be game.... Shoot me a email at [email]larry@monstermetal.org[/email] and lets see if we can work out the details
Whatever you are, be a good one.
Abraham Lincoln
1:53 am
May 11, 2010
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Lots of nice belt buckles here...
2:18 am
March 22, 2010
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Here is a photo Cliff sent me of what he is looking for... Hoping to spend about $2 each with quantity at around 400 per order...
Whatever you are, be a good one.
Abraham Lincoln
3:12 am
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April 22, 2010
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two bucks each?
Maybe if they were either cast, or stamped, with a minimum order of ten thousand...
If these guys dont sell em for 2 bucks apiece, then nobody does-
and if they charge more, with their dedicated machinery and their production of a few hundred thousand a year, then he is totally dreaming if he thinks 2 bucks is possible outside of China, which would mean 6 months lead time and 40,000lbs minimum order.
http://www.candcri.com/documents/51.html
(by the way, I wear one of Erica's buckles, myself. but it cost a lot more than 2 bucks.)
4:12 am
May 13, 2010
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:bounce: Oh Oh Oh! I know the answer to this one!!!!
$2 each No problem. $500,000 tooling charge $1000 set up fee. $2 per buckle.
4:48 am
March 22, 2010
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$2.00, wow, big spender.
I checked my product list, now over 10 years old, before I retired from product forging, belt buckles were 25.00-32.00, wholesale. 10 years later those prices would be much more.
I would have hated to make 400 of anything, usually batching my trinkets maybe 25 at a time. If there was a good football game on, I would maybe do 50 hooks.
9:33 am
March 26, 2010
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Cliff;1991 wrote: Hello,
I'd like to find a supplier that can make hand-forged
Cliff
$2 each, 400 off, hand forged ...... HAND FORGED for f***s sake ....... HAND FORGED ?*&^%$!!^&*()%$"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:18 am
August 14, 2010
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Go easy on the Cliff. He wants belt buckles, he's not a blacksmith. He doesn't know any better. I hear all types of metalworking terms applied unnecessarily, often by people who should know better; the design posted is totally unsuited to handforging and handforging is totally unsuited to cost concerns. If I had been in Larry's shoes I would have replied with an explanation of why it ain't gonna happen before I posted it here to get all you all riled up. :stomp::giggle:
2:53 pm
March 22, 2010
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Yeah that would have been the right thing to do... I just politely said I would be unable to help him but I would post the into in the hopes someone else could.... I actually thought for a couple days about how I could make money doing these for $2-3 each... I didn't find it unreasonable for him to want them at that price, just unreasonable for me to build them at that price... I always assume there is someone out there that will do the work at any price point..
Whatever you are, be a good one.
Abraham Lincoln
3:50 pm
April 21, 2010
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As was said earlier for those prices the best place to look would be asia, China or India come to mind alot. There are lots of business's there that specialize in this sort of small run production that is cost effective for him.
2:11 am
May 13, 2010
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Lewis;2051 wrote: Go easy on the Cliff. He wants belt buckles, he's not a blacksmith. He doesn't know any better. I hear all types of metalworking terms applied unnecessarily, often by people who should know better; the design posted is totally unsuited to handforging and handforging is totally unsuited to cost concerns. If I had been in Larry's shoes I would have replied with an explanation of why it ain't gonna happen before I posted it here to get all you all riled up. :stomp::giggle:
Personally I am not riled up. I do think that Ries probably steered him in the right direction. I was just trying to inject a little humour but also make the point that the price point was way low for custom work. Pump the volume high enough and the tooling costs go way down.
2:41 am
August 14, 2010
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Larry, not my intention to bust your chops. On an another forum I frequent there is a tendency for these things to turn into ten page rants on the injustices of modern life, so I was pointing out that it was an honest mistake, rather than some devious plan to gouge belt buckles out of innocent hard-working blacksmiths.
I, too, briefly considered whether I could crank those out for close to the asking price.
I also meant what I said about misuse of metalworking terms; people come in my place all the time asking for all kinds of 'alloy steel', 'spot welding' on stuff that's an inch thick, and similar nonsense because it sounds cool. Cliff said hand forged so someone pointed him to a blacksmith, it's only when he gets to the blacksmith that he finds out that hand forged isn't what he wants.
If he can find something from Ries' link, then we've helped him out before anyone directly insulted him and the good name of 'blacksmith' has been preserved again. Whew.:rolleyes:
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