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well I really shouldn't get into politics but
"They have driven a wedge into the population and created two equally absurd factions who claim to have different agendas, "
I came here pretty open minded in 2000. I had heard in the UK that GW had a rather consistent record for not reading reports all the way through( death penalty cases).
Since I have become a firm Obama supporter. But I see that there is not enough support for the president . This time. there was before. it amazed me abroad how into the president the americans were. We all generally hated our dear leaders.

However that all changed when Mr o got in. suddenly people didn't give a stuff about being polite about the president. they suddenly noticed how broke we had been for ages and they complain that Obama brought us to it.
It seems the things the dems did wrong in the past were to .........
try to get everyone on the home ownership ladder. which only failed because of deregulation of the credit card industry and the amazing hikes in the health care costs.
all made money on the poor buying houses , at first. they were the market that helped the rich get there.

they tried to get zero emission cars on the table for 2000 but the right resisted (one of times greatest blunders).
they tried food labelling. but the right "resisted".
As far as I can see the only thing the right have done is deregulate de-inspect and basically say " make money while we are in" . Now we have to catch up.we have to clean up. and make up. if we tried we would have no problems. but instead of accepting the possibility the commies liberals were right that we should have food labelling. poison free products and a look towards future energy concerns that think of the whole rather than the tank.

I can see NO comparison between the parties.
Why is it wrong to try to demand that we be able to know what the heck we eat. who made it, where , with what.
Why is it wrong to concentrate on future energy needs when Carter did. before Ronnie sent the get out message of ripping the solar cells off the white house.
Why is it wrong to try to bring a health care system comparable to any other first world nation to the USA.
The economy is down because we have all o paid out through the nose for health care. or lost much because of a lack of it.
family and small business health suffers greatly from the lack of concern for the future. be concerned about the deficit but don't wait till you are in a life raft to start complaining about wrong courses.
If you are led into the life boats by a mob that burnt the boat. then pray

What was it the GOP did in the last thirty years that moved forward.Just one.
held up all political debate because of single issues like the A word.
my my. I never knew how much one issue would drive so many.

PS I never felt more free here in the USA than when I lived in the UK.
the illusion of freedom here is just that.
I can't believe that when finally there is someone that did listen, the right just said they were "not being listened to"(government option? remember it was dropped. at the rights insistence). they got their way for years brought us wars and a financial and economic disaster and that has happened before in the USA. But before the USA was willing to listen to the other side.
The promises of Obstruction started the moment Obama got in. Industrial chiefs are holding out till the GOP gets power again. and we are all being held to ransom by the "Money "(corporations and those real rich folk that made out on war , not mentioning any recent ex vice presidents in particular ) trying to win the global war of "free-trade" by battling on Americas economy.
America has a chance. but not if they scream when help arrives just because the help says "let go of the safety line attached to the sinking boat" we need advancement not entrenchment and no both sides are not as bad as each other. one is fighting to save the other to get rich.

as they have done

:mask::skull::timebomb::skip::cold::mad::showoff::cloud9::twins::mstickle::sleep::confused:

LOL Obama worse than Bush. really?

Still waiting for a forward step by the GOP to be mentioned.
I came here thinking they were both as bad. Since I have been watching there is no evidence to that effect. just concerns and misplaced anger.

PS the reason Obama has got no where is precisely because so many scream at him about him when the reality is he did not create this mile deep hole. and the GOP have a track record of not climbing out of holes but trying to dig the ground out around the hole so we are all in it.

Obaa did not take your money. the failed and short term thinking of the right did. if the other dems ( that she devil nancy pelosi) had been listened to we would be selling the rest Electric cars.
They had them they stopped because BUSh decided to give a tax credit to everyone who wanted to buy a gas guzzler ( tax credit 2001 for " utility" vehicles but none for all electric.
Short term gets short results

shame that Obama gets the last thirty years of screwed up policies to fix and be blamed for.
When GW got in and promised to not give a darn what anyone thought by hiding his energy bill discussions. no one on the right minded. but Obama tried to get the GOP to sit in on his and they near refused. then they obstructed. and they killed out future. in a democracy when one side looses they are generally expected to act in the interests of the nation . not lie and obstruct to con the nation into voting for them again. That is called electioneering and belongs at election time not a permanent state of disinformation and confusion.
The right have said NO NO NO at Every opportunity. they sit refusin g to sign the START tereaty for no other reason than obstruction. they got their wars but wilol not give us our peace.
You want money try taxing the rich. take away medicare for the rich.. Address the issue that one guy makes millions on the other guy getting cancer in a factory with no extraction.
taxes are not a dirty word. spending half of all taxes on war is dirty.
I rest my case. Good Luck America, Some of us unpatriotic types still have a hope for you.

lol here's some fun from the people at marmite. "you love it or you hate it"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....ioE7oAaB10

I hate it. save billy

it's OK Randy. Apology accepted it's not the first time I have heard it , Eric tells me regularly.
I could go on forever about how those private schools also pick their students not based on how poor or badly educated they are.
teaching ALL costs more.not being able to say. "You're thick so we won't teach you "costs more.

Private companies have just bankrupted the nation. leman etc. not the GOV.
don't know if you all missed that very important part of this mess.
yes there was a bail out. to protect all those that had money invested in the stock market.
that is not me or many of the lefty liberal broke just scrapping by types I know.It does fit those that scream bad GOV though.

GM that was not run by the GOV, but they had an all electric car they could have been selling since 2000. , but they in their private inspired thinking said." stuff the EV we can build a Hummer"
bailed out. yes but then how many americans before they went bust thought it possible.
I can quite distinctly remember laughing at how we could all end up driving Fiats like the Russians if we carry on with their thinking . "Free GAS" what a scorching brainwave from the private industry.

now should the nation have said.
forget the auto industry forget the fact we have plants , brownfield sites , the infrastructure, the workforce, the things we need for some heavy industry to rebuild those things that collapse from under you( bridges) or wind turbines that could power us .
Corporate decisions have not been so great I will agree that we should let the corporations run things. we have ... with health care. who now can afford it. How many Blacksmiths live(wait , those who are not vets or retired on medicare) with the thought of loosing all if there is a problem.
I cannot think of anywhere else where someone who IS insured, who has paid thousands in their life in premiums could end up paying 15 000 dollars because their leg broke when they fell off a ladder and the total was 150 000.(co pay)
that would bankrupt me. even after I had paid out.
Private does not run anything any better than GOV.
There is a funny contradiction I can se some times. Some who seems to be doing all right get paid for their health care. I would means test medicare. Why should someone retired get free health care when they can pay.But funny how if I mention that plenty suddenly find a good thing to say about it and say they don't want to loose it.
Lol Grant. Capitalism is alive and well in All of Europe.
The Brits are a "nation of shop keepers"
the cloggies sell tulips like no tomorrow. the french won't give their champers away for free.
and they can all go to the doc.
This is the CAN DO nation. I think despite every argument or discussion on it that somehow , if people tried, this nation could do. there is a lot of drive in the USA..I am ashamed it drives in circles though dreaming of revolution.
revolutions are the oldest joke.
you get right back to where you started. by definition, no escape.